AR 15 .22lr Conversion Kit Q's

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A couple of questions:

1. How well do these work?(i.e. accuracy/reliability)

2. Where can I find one...It seems they are sold out anywhere I've looked.

Thanks!
 
1: They work about as well as any other rimfire conversion. You may have a few FTFs and FTEs, but once you find ammo it likes it runs pretty good. Accuracy is alright, you can punch paper for pennies, but a rimfire match would pretty much be out of the question. Accruacy gets worse the faster your twist is. 1/12 bbls shoot it a lot better than 1/7s (which is what I've got).

2: Midway had Cieners in stock a while back, and they were sold out in a matter of hours. I dont know if Oly is ever going to make their M261 clones. Spike's Tactical is coming out with an improved ciener-based conversion soon, I dont know when.

If you post at arfcom I see ceiners on the EE on occasion. They go pretty fast though.
 
I have a Colt Conversion Kit. I have never had a malfunction with it, except a couple of misfires that were cause by what I confirmed to be defective rounds. In my 1:9" Bushmaster barrel, 20" HBAR, post-ban config, detachable carry handle sight, it can shoot dime sized 5 shot groups at 50' benched with cheapo high velocity. I have successfully shot Federal Champions, Remington Golden Bullets, Thunderbolts, and Federal Bulk Pack (the Wal-Mart stuff) through mine. The Colt is no longer made, but you can still find those on Gunbroker, and I believe there is at least one on the ARFCOM Equipment Exchange right now.

Give Ballistic Sounds Tactical Supply a call- they frequently have Ceiners in stock for $169 each. http://www.ballisticsounds.com/
 
Thanks a lot guys...

I guess now my question is this:

Those of you that have both, would you recommend buying the conversion kit, or just buying another 10/22 and slowly tricking it out?

I know that making a tacticool style 10/22 is going to be more expensive than getting a conversion kit for my AR, but it doesn't really matter since I can just slowly piece it together.



I love my AR's and AK's but I am getting sick and tired of seeing dollar signs every time I pull the trigger.:barf:

I'd rather drop $15.00 at the range on 550 rds of .22lr than ~$100.00-200.00 or more on .223, x39 and x51. So I guess price isn't much of an issue, if it is fun to shoot it will pay for itself in a couple of range sessions.
 
Those of you that have both, would you recommend buying the conversion kit, or just buying another 10/22 and slowly tricking it out?

I recommend a third option, which is what I now have. I really like it, and it feeds and shoots as well as a good .22 semiauto.

I got a .22LR upper from Model 1 Sales. It really IS an AR upper, so it balances and feels just like an AR, not "almost", and it uses your lower, so whatever trigger and stock geometry you have set up, it will be exactly the same, not "almost".

http://www.model1sales.com/catalog-list.cfm?Category=15&Subcat=.22LR Upper Halves&storeid=1

They have all the typical options that you can get with a regular AR upper, and barrels to match most AR configurations, including bull barrels, 20" HBAR with or without fluting, 16" heavy and light, M4gery, etc.

If you want to go ultra-tacticool, these guys also have a line of .22LR uppers other stuff like fake cans: http://spikestactical.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=26

The uppers use the Ciener bolt, but not the chamber adapter. They have true .22LR barrels with appropriate twist and no gas ports or gas tubes to get fouled.

I'm loving mine. It's really FUN, not only good practice.
 
AB,

The Model 1 Sales, I have considered buying from them before.

Good service, reliable?

What about the product, good quality?

Did you get the 30 or 10 round magazines? If you got the 30, how did they perform?

Thanks.
 
I guess now my question is this:

Those of you that have both, would you recommend buying the conversion kit, or just buying another 10/22 and slowly tricking it out?
I shoot my AR with the conversion pretty often, my 10-22s (yes, two of them) pretty much stay in the safe. To me, a tricked out 10-22 is kinda like a suped-up AMC Pacer, it could be done, it could be fun, but why bother?

If I had the money for a Model 1 or Spikes upper I would have probably went that route. What I plan to do, when I have money, is get a KKF bbl and build a dedicated upper around my conversion.
 
The Model 1 Sales, I have considered buying from them before.

Good service, reliable?

What about the product, good quality?

Did you get the 30 or 10 round magazines? If you got the 30, how did they perform?

Don't know too much about their service. I ordered the thing, it arrived on my doorstep, I stuck it on an existing lower and went to the range.:)

It worked, but I should have cleaned and oiled it first. I think it came with preservative on it. It got fouled up quickly. I took it home and hit it with CLP, a rag and a cleaning rod, and it works great. So I haven't had to call them back.

Quality is top-notch. Fit and finish are perfect, bore looks real nice and shoots well. As nice as any good AR upper; uses the same parts.

Unfortunately, I'm stuck with the 10-rounder due to state laws. There are other magazines available also, in 10 and 30, from Black Dog Machine. These are polycarbonate. The Ciener mags, both 10 and 30, are parkerized steel. Spike's has some from BDM that are the same size and shape as regular 30-round AR mags. I don't know how well they work, but I'll probably try one soon.

If I lived in a state that allowed me to order a 30 through the mail, I would have done so, though. The thing is really fun to shoot rapid fire, and it's easy to hit targets that way, with minimal recoil. I thought I'd long since become jaded and didn't care about rapid fire .22LR's (mostly I've been shooting .22 levers and they've been more fun than I was having with semiautos). However, the AR setup is actually a lot of fun to shoot rapid-fire, even for someone like me who has no interest in doing that with a 10/22 any more. A LOT of fun. 30-rounders definitely recommended.:)

The 10-round steel Ciener magazine is very easy to load, with only moderate spring tension, and it works well. I have had a few double-feeds, but I was testing it out with the cheapest ammo available (actually some old dirty unplated lead stuff that isn't even available any more). Said ammo worked better in this setup than any rifle I've ever tried it in. Finally used up a whole brick that's been sitting around forever since it didn't work well in most guns.

Rapid fouling accumulation is not a problem as it is with a lot of .22 semiautos, even with this dirty ammo made in Mexico, probably because the upper receiver is nice and big inside. The AR just kept on shooting, when other common guns would have had to go home for cleaning.

Bear in mind, I've only had it for a short time, though I'm getting close to 1000 rounds through it already. Most of this has been bottom-end bulk ammo, and I've only had to clear misfeeds a few times, so I am very happy with it.

So far I've just used CLP to lube it. I'm going to try out other lube, too, but I'm pretty happy with how it's running.
 
How much should I look to pay for a 20" flattop?

I'd like to be able to save on optics and just use my ACOG on there, since I have a quick detach I was hoping I could just write the adjustments down and go back and forth between uppers...Then eventually I'd get it's own lower and optics.
 
20" flattop? $495 from Model 1.

More if you want it fluted, free-floated, or if you want a flip-up front sight on it, just like with any other upper order.

Also, you can get lowers marked ".22LR" for special builds from Spike's and LAN World http://www.lanworldinc.com

These can be useful in states like mine, with different "assault weapons" laws for centerfires. In California, rimfires are exempt from all the EBR restrictions. A lower marked "5.56" isn't any more or less legal, but in some situations involving Roscoe P. Coltrane, having ".22LR" marked on barrel and lower might be more convenient. I have mine in a regular lower, but if I do a special lower build for it, I'll probably get one marked .22LR.
 
I've had the CZ .22 AR upper for 3 years and it works fine (after a little gunsmithing to fit properly:rolleyes:).

I'm glad to see 30 rnd mags available.
 
i just can not understand why anybody would spend $1000.00 + on a cool rifle to spend more money to convert it backwards to a .22lr. makes no sense to me. if you wanted a 22, why not just spend $200.00 and be done with it? or you could buy a 10/22, a couple of hundred bucks to accessorize it (stock, hi-cap clips, etc.) and have many hundreds of dollars to buy ammo with. just my 2 cents worth.
 
i just can not understand why anybody would spend $1000.00 + on a cool rifle to spend more money to convert it backwards to a .22lr. makes no sense to me. if you wanted a 22, why not just spend $200.00 and be done with it? or you could buy a 10/22, a couple of hundred bucks to accessorize it (stock, hi-cap clips, etc.) and have many hundreds of dollars to buy ammo with. just my 2 cents worth.
Its still practice time with the trigger, stock, sights, etc of your ar15. Why not keep practicing on the same gun? I also personally don't like taking many long guns to the range, they're a pain. An ar with a drop in .22 bolt is much more convenient than 2 rifles.
 
i just can not understand why anybody would spend $1000.00 + on a cool rifle to spend more money to convert it backwards to a .22lr. makes no sense to me.

I can shoot the .22 at a range down the street from my house after work if I get the urge. I can't shoot the .223 closer than a half-hour away, and the fun places to shoot it are an hour away. Gas ain't cheap, either.

The practice is transferable, as Soybomb says.

I don't like 10/22's, and I wouldn't put a dime into turning one into a decent rifle. To be worth shooting, it needs a new barrel, stock, and trigger, and when it's done, I still don't much care for how the things feel.

I have other .22's, including levers I really like. That doesn't in any way change the fact that the AR practice is worthwhile, and the AR in .22LR is a LOT more fun than I've ever had with a 10/22. Can't quite say why; it just is.

Another parallel benefit is that .223/5.56 burns up barrels in time. If I practice with the .22LR when it will do the job, my centerfire upper will last a lot longer.

I can put 500 rounds through the .22 in a pretty short time; if I did that a few times with the .223, not only would I be broke from the ammo cost, but I'd need a new $200 barrel, too.
 
Man, there for a minute I was really leaning towards either a .22lr upper or a new 10/22...

But I think soybomb and armedbear have made too good of an argument not to just get the conversion kit.:cool:

One last question...

I can achieve sub-MOA groups with my current setup(CAR 15 w/ ACOG), I know the .22lr doesn't travel nearly as far, but will I be able to do the same with the .22lr conversion kit out to 100 yards?

This could be a really, really dumb question, but how much difference is there in size between a .22lr and a .223?

Oh, and who makes the best 25-30 round magazines for them?



I guess that is more than just one last question. :)
 
But I think soybomb and armedbear have made too good of an argument not to just get the conversion kit.

I don't have a conversion kit. I have a dedicated upper and I'd heartily recommend that.

I was just explaining why I felt it was worthwhile to buy that upper, despite the $475 I spent.:)

The guy did have a point: a Marlin 60 is under 150 bucks and a nice, accurate, reliable .22 semiauto. I've got one, and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to someone who wants a .22LR rifle that doesn't break the bank. The AR upper is a different ball of wax, though, and it's got its own positive attributes. Worth it? That depends. But I do like mine.
 
Ahhh, Gotcha AB...So the dedicated upper isn't out of the equation yet.:)

$475 is really nothing, when you factor in how much is spent on .223 every range session and how much is saved using .22lr.

BUT, if the .22 conversion is accurate and reliable, I'd probably rather go with that since I won't have to detach my ACOG...All I'll have to do is adjust it a bit, and if I right down the clicks, it will be very easy to rezero.
 
Dang it, someone on AR15 sold a Ceiners .22 conversion, NIB today for $170 shipped...

It sold in 42 minutes.:banghead:

Give Ballistic Sounds Tactical Supply a call- they frequently have Ceiners in stock for $169 each.

It looks as if they are currently out of stock...Anyone else know of a place to get one?



I think I am going to take the only logical route and get both.:p

It is the only way to truly answer all of my questions.
 
Call Spike's Tactical ane see if they can give you an ETA on theirs. There's probably a date mentioned in the thread they started at arfcom, but you'd probably have to dig through a few pages of "tag" posts to find it.
 
AB and others, I'm looking into getting one of the dedicated uppers. What's the verdict on accuracy with these things? Decent enough for some squirrel hunting, or is it more of a "practice hitting steel plates with cheaper ammo" thing?

Yes, I know it costs more than buying a whole other .22, or even a couple, but it is cheaper to get another upper than to start SBRing other guns.
 
Decent enough for some squirrel hunting

Absolutely. It likes Velocitors, too, which some other guns don't, at least with any kind of accuracy.

Mine is a 16" heavy barrel; you can get a bull barrel "varmint" version if you want to put a big scope on it and make consistent 100-yard head shots on squirrels.

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The 16" HB works well, though. I was blowing out the bullseye dot, offhand with standard A2 sights, with 30+ rounds in a row all going right where I pointed them. I'd say it shoots as well as you'd expect a $200 heavy .22LR barrel to shoot, which is to say, very well.
 
Well I found someone wanting to get rid of a GI conversion kit for $110 shipped, so i am going to get it...

But I am also going to get something very similar to the one you posted right there AB.
 
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