I was thinking about using offset picitanny rails potencialy on a rail mount for height on my ar15 to mount a scope on. That way i could still have iron sights ready. As long as accuracy would be ok at under 200 yards i would be satisfied. Would thos eoute work and would their be any poi change with canting the gun. Usually offset mounts are reseved for buis or red dots. I think a scope side mounted would be nifty
ar15 side mounted scope
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NeuseRvrRat
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i guess as long as you zeroed the scope shooting the rifle canted and zeroed your iron sights with the rifle level, you'd be ok. for the best accuracy, you're gonna need to cant the rifle at the same angle every time you go to the scope. i think that'd be harder to get right than getting the rifle straight up and down each time. i guess you could hang one of those bubble levels on there too, but have it where it's level at whatever angle you decide to cant the rifle to.
it all sounds a little ridiculous to me. good luck.
it all sounds a little ridiculous to me. good luck.
rjrivero
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There is a reason three gun shooters put the scope on top and the secondary optic off set to the side.
Scopes are used to engage longer range targets. When engaging longer range targets, small differences make big misses. You want your cheek weld to be as consistent as possible and the shot to be as natural as possible.
Using an offset iron sight, or red dot is for close in targets. Small differences don't make for misses.
Also consider that using an offset mount for your optic can put it in the way of your ejection port. Bouncing brass off of an optic isn't for me, either.
The trajectory weather you're shooting with a canted rifle or not is going to be the same. You just have to zero the rifle with the optic at the same angle to the bore as you intend to shoot it. Conventionally speaking, the optic should be directly over the bore of the rifle.
Scopes are used to engage longer range targets. When engaging longer range targets, small differences make big misses. You want your cheek weld to be as consistent as possible and the shot to be as natural as possible.
Using an offset iron sight, or red dot is for close in targets. Small differences don't make for misses.
Also consider that using an offset mount for your optic can put it in the way of your ejection port. Bouncing brass off of an optic isn't for me, either.
The trajectory weather you're shooting with a canted rifle or not is going to be the same. You just have to zero the rifle with the optic at the same angle to the bore as you intend to shoot it. Conventionally speaking, the optic should be directly over the bore of the rifle.
rcmodel
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You don't have to turn them sideways to look through them.
Put the scope on the rail on top and sight it in for long range.
Then put iron sights on the side and sight them in for short range.
http://www.dueckdefense.com/gallery.asp
rc
Put the scope on the rail on top and sight it in for long range.
Then put iron sights on the side and sight them in for short range.
http://www.dueckdefense.com/gallery.asp
rc
allaroundhunter
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M1 Carbines and lever actions both have scopes mounted on top.....never on the side. 3 gun shooters will mount iron sights or a reflex sight offset for the short, quick shots, but their main magnified optic stays on the top rail so that it functions for long range shots.....
Scoped Carbine:
3-Gun AR with offset reflex
3-Gun AR with offset irons
their are m1s and levers with side mounted scopes
http://www.maxicon.com/guns/universal_m1/u_m1_scope.htm
http://www.armslist.com/posts/156307/detroit-michigan-rifles-for-sale--30-30-lever-action
these are two examples notice how the scope is not on top but on the left side. essentially i wanted to try this on an ar15
http://www.maxicon.com/guns/universal_m1/u_m1_scope.htm
http://www.armslist.com/posts/156307/detroit-michigan-rifles-for-sale--30-30-lever-action
these are two examples notice how the scope is not on top but on the left side. essentially i wanted to try this on an ar15
allaroundhunter
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That M1 carbine is actually not mounted to the side of the rifle. The mount is such that it keeps the scope over top of the rifle in-line with the barrel, but mounts to the side of the receiver.
And the lever action is not intended as a long range rifle, out to about 150 yards would be its purpose. And it is mounted to the side because it has to be, not because the owner thinks it is cool.
There really would not be anything "nifty" about an offset mounted scope on an AR. An offset set of irons or a reflex sight would be much better.......To be honest, I have no idea why anyone would offset a scope on an AR when it was designed to have a scope mounted correctly.
And the lever action is not intended as a long range rifle, out to about 150 yards would be its purpose. And it is mounted to the side because it has to be, not because the owner thinks it is cool.
There really would not be anything "nifty" about an offset mounted scope on an AR. An offset set of irons or a reflex sight would be much better.......To be honest, I have no idea why anyone would offset a scope on an AR when it was designed to have a scope mounted correctly.
you are right on the m1 carbine but most likely i wont do this. just wanted to see if anyone else had tried it just because and if their would be any noticeable poi poa issues. i didnt mean to offend u allaround hunter u are correct when saying it was meant to be with the optic topside
Sometimes no one does a thing because it hasn't been thought of before, and it turns out to be a stroke of genius.
Sometimes no one does a thing because they tried, and it failed.
This situation falls under the second category.
Sometimes no one does a thing because they tried, and it failed.
This situation falls under the second category.
allaroundhunter
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No offense taken. The fact of a side-mounted scope is that POI will only equal POA at one point. And calculating where the round will hit when it is not at that point will be considerably more difficult when environmental factors are added than a scope that is above the barrel. It ends up being more trouble than it is worth. While it might sound "fun", that will quickly end when you realize how inconvenient it can be.
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You could also use a non-magnified optic and a magnifier for longer ranges, and mount the magnifier on of those "flip-to-side" quick releases for close range work.
Not quite as fast as both offset irons and a magnified optic(scope) but the setup mentioned above would allow the rifle to be held properly for both long and short range shots.
Just a thought.
(p.s. I skimmed the posts above, but if this was mentioned already, I.b.sorry.
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Not quite as fast as both offset irons and a magnified optic(scope) but the setup mentioned above would allow the rifle to be held properly for both long and short range shots.
Just a thought.
(p.s. I skimmed the posts above, but if this was mentioned already, I.b.sorry.
)tryshoot
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What I think you are talking about is back-up sights, usually close in work. Canting rifle does change poi, but at 50 yds or less doesn't matter. If scope,red dot goes bad they are great back-ups. By the way if you are right handed works better on right for me.
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