Arcane NJ law prevents retired cops from carrying concealed weapon

[Midwest]

Arcane NJ law prevents retired cops from carrying concealed weapon


They were cops with real police powers, they even helped Newark and Elizabeth police. At issue was the agency they worked for, a judge and the state police seem to say they really weren't real police because it wasn't an official state agency. To say that the former policemen are upset is an understatement.

From what I read into here, it appears that they were real police. Under LEOSA they should be able to get their carry permits. The former cops maintain that others in the same situation did get their carry permits, but for some reason, they were denied.

Law-abiding gun owners in New Jersey can't get a carry permit, and now two former policemen are being denied too. They hired a lawyer. Will Governor Christie get involved? I think this might be real interesting to watch an see how it turns out.

Looking at http://www.njlawman.com/police-jobs/008-umdnj-police-department.htm

It says UMDNJ Police

"QUALIFICATIONS:
Must have a high school diploma and be certified by the N.J. Police Training Commission. Must pass N.J. State Police background investigation and psychological test, be a U.S. Citizen, and have a valid driver’s license. Candidates must pass a physical examination to determine their fitness to perform the duties of a Police Officer. Must be able to be commissioned as a police officer under the New Jersey Statute 18:A and authorized to enforce Title 2C and Title 39 by training and experience."

It says "Commissioned as a police officer". If that isn't a police officer, then why does it say commissioned as a police officer?

Main story

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/0...ired-cops-from-carrying-concealed-weapon.html


"Kotchkowski and Dunsmuir both contend they worked for a state agency and thus should be granted a conceal carry permit. But the wording of the law doesn’t make that so clear, according to the New Jersey State Police, which oversees the permit process.

“How are UMDNJ police not a state law enforcement agency?" Roughneen asked, according to the Star-Ledger. “By that logic, that makes the entire Rutgers police force -- which is one of the largest in the state -- ineligible. And that flies in the face of the intent of the law, which is to increase public safety.”
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[mdThanatos]

While I don't necessarily agree with it, what does the law exactly state?

The job requirements do indicate that they "must be able to be commissioned" and while one can infer that they will be commissioned, were they in fact commissioned?

Additionally, is the University a state run university and qualified as a state agency?

There are additional questions that the story doesn't answer and the whole picture isn't being presented.

Don't get me wrong, I do follow your thinking though that the job requirements and the fact that they have to enforce Title 2c and Title 39, Criminal and Traffic laws, should qualify them as a police officer, but without know what the 1997 law states, we can't just assume that they are eligible.

 

[Midwest]

While I don't necessarily agree with it, what does the law exactly state?

The job requirements do indicate that they "must be able to be commissioned" and while one can infer that they will be commissioned, were they in fact commissioned?

Additionally, is the University a state run university and qualified as a state agency?

There are additional questions that the story doesn't answer and the whole picture isn't being presented.

Don't get me wrong, I do follow your thinking though that the job requirements and the fact that they have to enforce Title 2c and Title 39, Criminal and Traffic laws, should qualify them as a police officer, but without know what the 1997 law states, we can't just assume that they are eligible.

They maintain that others have got their permits but they haven't.


"We know of plenty of cases where campus police were approved, including two recent cases in Middlesex and Burlington (counties)," Roughneen said."


Here is the original article from where Fox News sourced from and the quote (above).

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2016/02/confusing_new_jersey_gun_laws_deny_some_ex-cops_ri.html


If other retired campus police officers received their carry permit, and these two retired officers did not, wouldn't then the law could be construed as being applied unevenly?
This is a part of their argument.
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[Frank Ettin]

Nine posts deleted because everyone just wants to rant, and no one wants to actually discuss the law.

So I guess we're done.