Are technical drawings legal?

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A person who shall remain my unnamed brother in law asked me how much trouble somebody would be in for having drawings of things that are illegal. “Ya know, in case somebody needs to make one at some point”. I’m not aware of any legal troubles for having a technical drawing, or pictures, etc. Is there something I’m not aware of? Would that play heavily into a “constructive possession” charge? Seems like that would be an infringement of rights, but like we have seen so often recently our rights are very easily diminished, infringed, eroded, and ignored.
 
I've seen technical drawing for Thompson Submachine guns. I'm not sure how complete they were, although they were printed at such a scale the dimensions they called were near illegible.
I think the dot gov is more concerned with real guns.
However, these devices that manufacture stuff with computer control, the govt DOES NOT LIKE US HAVING PROGRAMS that allow gun parts to be made, so things may change .... or may have already changed.

IANAL. Nothing above is legal advice.
 
Crystal Meth is illegal. How to make it is rather simple for even someone with basic chemistry knowledge. Constructive Possession doesn't start until you start getting rubber suits, respirators, bulk bags of gloves, and chemicals.
 
I can remember a time when "tube plans" were a "hot button" with varying amounts of imagined and real legal issues attached to them.
For those unfamiliar, a "tube plan" was a paper copy, often 8½x11" sheets, of the layout to mill a Sten-like reciever by tapiung the plans around a tube of the correct size. Those plans 'worked' because the designed were meant for minimal machine tool use.

Now, "plans" for firearms are not simple things. Modern machining is a process of steps. Which winds up a design unto itself. Let's say a part need broaching with a specific end mill. In a factory setting, one machine (typically) is set up to make that one broach to the exact same machining for every part that the production requires. So, there is a "plan" for that machining step, which will have the tool required, the tolerances for the tool, and the range, with tolerances for the machining the tool is to use. If that part needs a bend, the bending press will have a plan for that, too. So, "the plans" for a modern firearm can look like a binder of sheets diagramming the machining steps, and not so very much like an exploded parts diagram or the like.

Not that much different than an automobile, which is an assembly of parts assembled from other parts.

Now, that lightning link plan, above, is a hair different. Because, legislation/regulation has made it so. It's just a simple stamped/cut bit of sheet metal, which, by fiat, is a Title 2 firearm entire.
 
I can remember a time when "tube plans" were a "hot button" with varying amounts of imagined and real legal issues attached to them.
For those unfamiliar, a "tube plan" was a paper copy, often 8½x11" sheets, of the layout to mill a Sten-like reciever by tapiung the plans around a tube of the correct size. Those plans 'worked' because the designed were meant for minimal machine tool use.

Now, "plans" for firearms are not simple things. Modern machining is a process of steps. Which winds up a design unto itself. Let's say a part need broaching with a specific end mill. In a factory setting, one machine (typically) is set up to make that one broach to the exact same machining for every part that the production requires. So, there is a "plan" for that machining step, which will have the tool required, the tolerances for the tool, and the range, with tolerances for the machining the tool is to use. If that part needs a bend, the bending press will have a plan for that, too. So, "the plans" for a modern firearm can look like a binder of sheets diagramming the machining steps, and not so very much like an exploded parts diagram or the like.

Not that much different than an automobile, which is an assembly of parts assembled from other parts.

Now, that lightning link plan, above, is a hair different. Because, legislation/regulation has made it so. It's just a simple stamped/cut bit of sheet metal, which, by fiat, is a Title 2 firearm entire.
I guess that’s what I was asking. That plan for the lightning link is pretty much dead on. I can’t see that picture as being a problem, but if there was a part that was being cut and filed down to actually make that link then I fully understand the constructive possession thing, or if complete I understand it being classified as NFA item by function.
 
I can’t see that picture as being a problem
If I had one, I'd probably enlarge the image (disproportionately if possible) and make it a "framed artwork."

Artwork is going to be more difficult (no impossible, just more difficult) to be constructive possession--unlike a paper copy that might be rubber-cemented to sheet metal stock, for example.

Maybe.

Perhaps.

I try to pay attention to these sorts of things as I own software which will model things to precision dimensions and generate G-Code to CNC same. Which means I have the ability (other than not having CNC tools) to create any part I can model. Which has been a thorny issue of late.
 
Somewhere around here I've got a book that has the dimensional drawings on how to convert several common rifles to select fire/full auto.
 
With the emergence of 3D technology and printers I find this a interesting topic.

The previous generation used blueprints. Use of heavy machinery and the need for skilled labor greatly restricted making guns in the basement workshop.

Polymer frames and gun parts and modular gun parts are making it easier, cheaper and practical to manufacture a complete firearm in the basement workshop. A person does not need to a skilled, trained machinist.

3D technology undermines gun control and restrictions. Since a 3D printer is useless without a program restrictions on use should be concern for gun owners (and by extension printed material). Considering how restrictive the gun laws are in Washington, D.C. it is not hard for me to imagine someone being arrested and put on trial for possession of drawings or 3D programs.
 
Interesting subject. I know there are some images that are illegal to possess, but if the BATFE busted in your door right now and you have string in your house, I don’t think you would go to prison for constructive possession.


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Illegal no. What can and is done is to imply and use it as evidence that you were up to no good and to prove other materials you possessed, which may in fact be perfectly normal, and may have had no illegal use intent, were in fact for illegal use. It is your word against theirs, and you don't even get to be part of the press briefing, so it is just their word until later.


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Constructive Possession doesn't start until you start getting rubber suits, respirators, bulk bags of gloves, and chemicals.

The meth production is a great example as you may in fact already have most ingredients or all ingredients in a home. If you commonly do DIY projects you should in fact already have that type of stuff. Bulk bag of gloves and respirators are pretty much common in any shop or decent equipped project area as you use them to paint, clean things with solvents, and otherwise handle caustic chemicals for a variety of projects. A rubber suit may be less common but also useful for a lot of things from working on a septic system, to handling caustic chemicals. Ever cleaned concrete with acid?
Most of the chemicals are also owned. The one thing rarer because of restrictions is pseudoephedrine which was once sold in giant tubs and other bulk packaging as a diet aid into the early 2000s.
In fact related to that is ephedrine actually really does stop stuffy noses and allergies well, and better than anything else over the counter with no drowsiness as it is a stimulant, while the replacement most reformulated with since restrictions has been proven to be no more effective than placebo. The ephedrine really works, the stuff it was replaced with does not. Yet you better believe I don't like the idea of signing my name and address for purchases of ephedrine per the law, and so don't get what would actually work best for treating my ailment. So even though perfectly legal, there is risk to even purchasing what is best at relieving your cold.

So what you think is foreign is in fact something someone that does their own projects routinely has. Which just goes to show how readily Herrwalther would be convinced as a juror. Many other people will be similar.
If someone is raided law enforcement will gather those materials from different areas of the home, place them together, and take pictures of them, which causes the normal viewer to associate them together for what the law enforcement is saying they were meant for.
If you also have literature describing how to misuse those materials you may have just sealed the deal for a jury.

Likewise you may have plumbing or irrigation parts, reloading components, etc if you also have literature on building bombs, and all of that stuff is rounded up, put next to each other, and pictures are taken, you may find yourself facing an uphill battle, when all you thought you had was literature protected by your freedom of speech.
In fact I know many people that have made target stands out of plumbing both pvc and metal, which will often be kept with the other firearm related stuff. The benefit being you can disassemble the target stand by unscrewing the pipes at which point it is just pipes and end caps with some elbows. The metal plumbing actually holds up better to shotgun pellets and other stray minor projectiles.



As someone that enjoyed chemistry and also appreciated the proper materials to move or handle things, I had to come to the conclusion that having beakers, test tubes, and various other things for the occasional time I want to do something was not worth it precisely because the average idiot juror made up of the average idiot population, supported by the average law enforcement that exaggerates and has most of their experience with the worst elements of society, would easily convict me of having a meth lab or whatever other scary thing they were claiming.
So I don't own that stuff because the only chemistry law enforcement knows is 'drug lab'.
The average person cannot relate to having those materials, and therefore will be easily persuaded that your possession of them is already suspect.

It was once normal to have the tools to tackle most things that may come up.
As we as a society have less and less people in the population used to actually doing things with their hands and making, building, or maintaining things, and instead always hires a 'professional' to do all those things how odd it is to have a variety of things may increase and the percent of the population that can relate to having them decrease.
That is what is happening, especially since most people get an education and train in one field, and spend most hours of most days using that specific skill and are nowhere near as well rounded or informed and experienced about unrelated things as in prior generations. People become experts in one thing, and remain naive to most other aspects of the world.
Specialization combined with on demand endless digital entertainment that fills in most time slots not already busy when off the clock seems to be creating a population that primarily knows only one thing well, and pays others to do anything not related to the one thing that they know well. (Which of course is better for the economy and government as money changes hands and is taxed!)

Law enforcement may have hours or days to go through all your stuff and gather little materials here and there to then claim they were all possessed for a sinister reason. If you have literature describing doing something bad their expert can then find all the components and claim that you possessed said illegal object just by having all the components, and even if you don't have them all may find yourself surprised by the 'expert' that improvises some other object from something you own and gives the impression that is what you owned it for too.


So illegal? No not technically, but may still be central to convicting you of something illegal whether you were up to no good or not.
Believing you can only be convicted if you are actually up to no good, rather than just appearing to be up to no good to a judge and jury through 'expert' testimony of law enforcement is where your fallacy begins.
Additionally even if not convicted by it, having it presented my bias a jury against you on other charges that you may have beaten but by looking like a shady guy that builds dangerous things they are more inclined to find you guilty of something else. It damages your character and makes it look like you are less upstanding. They don't want to just let the crazy gun nut found with an arsenal of weapons off that seems like he builds machineguns per the law enforcement report for example.
It can also play a role in how other charges are pursued, what may be tried under a misdemeanor or a felony or may receive a wide range of punishments from minor to severe is more likely to be punished severely. They throw the book at you, even if for unrelated charges because even if not proven you seem extra dangerous and scary because they have the belief you make machineguns or law enforcement just barely stopped you from that intent.
 
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Before I purchased my transferable M16 lower I downloaded some M16A1 lower blueprints. When I found one I wanted to look at I brought the blueprints along with some calipers and checked whatever specs I could. I guess back in 1986 I lot of these conversions were done pretty crudely.

If anyone wants a copy PM me.

Dan
 
Zoogster is quite right to point out that a lot comes down to what a slick lawyer can convince 12 people of - and 12 people who probably aren't the best and brightest either.

Further, it is worth noting that Federal law considers certain items of technical data to be illegal to export (in fact, there are a few cases where the end item can be exported but the data on how to make it can't). Note that Federal law says an "export" can include giving the data to a non-US citizen who is located within the US, or a person who works for a non-US company. I get company training on this every single year (yes, it gets boring very fast). So even if *possessing* the plans isn't illegal for you, they might be able to get you for an illegal *export* of those plans depending on who you allowed to have access to them.

I think an excellent technical case could be made that *absent the means to turn the plans into hardware*, the possession of plans could not be considered constructive possession. However the modern courts - and the BATFE - seem to have very little interest in technical arguments.
 
What images are illegal outside of pornographic content which includes minors, and images of classified items/material.

I don’t have the answer to that question, simply pointing out that some do exist that are illegal to possess, take or send.
 
With the emergence of 3D technology and printers I find this a interesting topic.
Well, it's hugely fascinating on the Industrial Engineering side of things as the methodology is additive, not subtracive; which has all sorts of potential impact in machining. Which is grist for a different forum.

The trickiest thing about 3d printing is the medium. In creating the 3d model to be printed, you have to design the parts to be within the tolerance of the printer (and you must decide how to resolve the difference between the allowable tolerance of the part and the tolerance of the printer with the material selected (resins used in stereolithography are very different from the melted ABS/vinyl products are different from the sintered metal products).

This can be a key aspect to a 3d modeling file. I could model up all the parts to a 1911 in SolidWorks to as closes as I could micrometer the dimensions. Or, with a set of plans, to the exacy parts dimension. However, that would not be a 3d "printable" model. Not until you separated the parts out for individual moulding (and included appropriate tollerance changes-thermoplastics need to be undersize to allow for expansion during heating; sintered metals need to be oversize to allow for similar reasons.
 
In general, drawings would be protected under the First Amendment. Of course if you had the drawings and all the components shown in the drawings on the workbench in your garage then "constructive possession" comes into play.

In this regard, the fact that jmorris included the lash-up of a Mini-14 creates all sorts of problems for me since I own a Mini-14, string and a keyring.

I guess I need to degauss my hard drive now.
 
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