Assault Weapon Ban 2018

[Carl N. Brown]

Anyone care to read it?

https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/images/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2018.pdf

This bill is basically Dianne Feinstein's AWB 2017 slightly edited. Waiting around for an exploitable crisis (Parkland) and not really a response to Parkland.

Page 1 title and purpose:

Assault Weapon Ban of 2017 (Feinstein version)
"To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes."
Assault Weapon Ban of 2018 (Ciciline version)
"To regulate the importation, manufacture, possession, sale or transfer of assault weapons, and for other purposes."

AWB_2018 (pp-126- ) appears to cut and paste "Appendix A -- Firearms Exempted by the Assault Weapon Ban of 2017" from the Feinsten AWB_2017. Page numbers the same between the two bills. The title is the same:

FIREARMS EXEMPTED BY THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN OF 2017
(listed by makes and models under categories)
Starting page and Category
Page 25 Centerfire Rifles -- Autoloaders
Page 26 Centerfire Rifles -- Lever and Slide
Page 32 Centerfire Rifles -- Bolt Action
Page 45 Centerfire Rifles -- Single Shot
Page 50 Centerfire Rifles -- Drillings, Combination Guns, Double Rifles
Page 52 Rimfire Rifle - Autoloaders
Page 54 Rimfire Rifles -- Lever and Slide
Page 55 Rimfire Rifles -- Bolt Action and Single Shot
Page 60 Competition Rifles -- Centerfire and Rimfire
Page 63 Shotguns -- Autoloaders
Page 72 Shotguns -- Slide Actions
Page 79 Shotguns -- Over/Unders
Page 101 Shotguns -- Side-by-Side
Page 115 Shotguns -- Bolt Actions & Single Shots
Appendix A ends on Page 121 in both Feinstein's AWB2017 and Cicilline's AWB2018.

It is not clear if firearms not listed as exempted would be banned under AWB 2017 but I hear echoes of the California list of state-approved gun models. Would guns not listed as exempt become contraband if AWB 2017/2018 were passed?

My family owned guns specifically listed as assault weapons under the ban:
Yugo M70AB2 ("All AK types" banned)
Thompson TM1 (WWII Tommy gun replica, semi-auto only, 16.5" barrel)

My family owned guns that are listed as exempt from the AWB2017:
Marlin 336W lever action,
Marlin 39A Golden lever action
Marlin M60 semi-auto rifle
Mossberg 1000 autoloading shotgun
Baikal IZH-43 side-by-side double
New England Firearms Partner
M-1 Carbine with standard fixed stock,
Rossi M92 lever action carbine
Springfield M6 Scout .22/.410 combo
Taurus Model 72 Pump Rifle

Not listed as exempt:
Lee-Enfield No.1 MkIII* bolt action rifle
Carcano M38 bolt action rifle
Mosin 91/30 bolt action rifle
Type 53 (Mosin) bolt action rifle
ArmaLite AR-7 Explorer rifle (Henry and Survival Arms AR-7 copies are listed)
CBC 7022 semi-auto rifle (its refined cousin the Mossberg 702 is listed)
M68 Rumanian Training Rifle .22 LR five shot magazine fed bolt
M73 Savage .22 LR single shot rifle
63KM Savage .22 WMR single shot rifle
Garcia Bronco .22 LR single shot rifle
Savage Springfield 94 single barrel shotgun
Remington Nylon 66 rimfire autoloader (centerfire Rem Nylon 66 is listed)*

More nonsense that won't affect bad behavior by bad people.

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* Yes, the Remington Nylon 66 was made only in .22S or .22LR, but it is listed under "Centerfire Rifles -- Autoloaders" not under "Rimfire Rifles -- Autoloaders".

 

[GBExpat]

More nonsense that won't affect bad behavior by bad people.

And if something like that passes it will turn a LOT of good people into criminals.

 

[RETG]

Won't pass.

 

[danez71]

So they exempt the Ruger PC9 but the new Ruger PC Carbine is not listed at all

I'll submit that as further proof that they keep regurgitating prewritten bans.

 

[Bushpilot]

I think this time the Democrats have really lost their minds more then usual.... I must admit I'm concerned with the mid terms coming up. I hope nothing happens between now and this fall to hurt the republicans chances... Hopefully with the crazy left coming right out and blatantly saying that they want abolish the 2nd amendment it will really motivate pro-gun turn out in the elections....

 

[abajaj11]

I think this time the Democrats have really lost their minds more then usual.... I must admit I'm concerned with the mid terms coming up. I hope nothing happens between now and this fall to hurt the republicans chances... Hopefully with the crazy left coming right out and blatantly saying that they want abolish the 2nd amendment it will really motivate pro-gun turn out in the elections....

Going against gun owners is always a vote loser.
WE need to keep educating the people about WHY 2A and RKBA are important in preventing us from being turned into sheep without sheepdogs. Because, then the wolves will come.

 

[AlexanderA]

Going against gun owners is always a vote loser.

The NRA-backed candidate just lost the Wisconsin Supreme Court race to an antigunner by double digits. Guns were an issue in this election. Doesn't bode well.

 

[Deanimator]

No, I refuse.

 

[ford8nr]

The NRA-backed candidate just lost the Wisconsin Supreme Court race to an antigunner by double digits. Guns were an issue in this election. Doesn't bode well.

"Guns were an issue" so was CRAZY left winger.

I think it was more of a botched campaign then a statement on guns and conservatism.

 

[P5 Guy]

The Senator wrote that up in 1989 and keeps it to file at every murder spree.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Post #10 That is my impression, too.
100 pages of the 126 page bill is a list of exemptions that looks like someone took a random gun trader's guide or catalog and copied the makes and models that didn't look military. As though civilian marksmanship training and military historical collection were not lawful reasons to own a gun. As far as non-military guns go, the exempt list is also incomplete. I have a few old guns not on the exempt list. A serious gun collector will have many guns not on that list. And their list of exemptions to the AWB includes autoloaders, pump-actions, lever-actions, bolt-actions, single shots. So it's an assault weapon ban that also extends its reach to all types of firearms.

 

[CapnMac]

The "Exceptions" list in the original AWB was "gloss," an obfuscation, just wasted text. (Also a result of DiFi giving a staffer a "Guns Digest" a marks-a-lot, and the instruction "Circle anything that looks like a machine gun," the exceptions were everything else in the tome.)
Almost certainly, the Exceptions list in the current waste-of-time bill is certainly similar. Despite the bill being about semi-auto, single shots and lever actions will be "exempted" as if they mattered to the "ban."

 

[JONWILL]

Wow. They are letting us keep the High Standard 10A. Must be a whopping 20 in circulation
Not sure f anyone remembers but it was The first bullpup shotgun

I also never understood the Mini 14 exemption. It is just as deadly as any other “Assault Rifle”

 

[JTHunter]

Oddly enough, my ~50 year old Stevens SxS is NOT on that list but every other rifle is on that list. Go figure.

 

[danez71]

Wow. They are letting us keep the High Standard 10A. Must be a whopping 20 in circulation
Not sure f anyone remembers but it was The first bullpup shotgun

I also never understood the Mini 14 exemption. It is just as deadly as any other “Assault Rifle”

It's only as deadly when you put a folding stock on it.

 

[BigBore44]

It’s a bill written by a has been years ago in order to remain relevant and in the headlines. It’s being proposed again to take advantage of kids lives that were lost. SOB’s make me sick. And they say we’re the ones with no heart or morals.

 

[Scooter22]

Yeah it's old but I think gun owners would be fools to not take it seriously in this anti gun climate. We have a whole new generation of Tide pod eaters and condom snorters that live by the word of social media. Many have no connection to firearms besides what the schools and media have fed them. They are the voting and future leaders.

 

[Tirod]

Yeah it's old but I think gun owners would be fools to not take it seriously in this anti gun climate. We have a whole new generation of Tide pod eaters and condom snorters that live by the word of social media. Many have no connection to firearms besides what the schools and media have fed them. They are the voting and future leaders.

True enough they didn't experience the days of fondly remembered gun freedoms - which in reality are happening NOW, with CCW nearly everywhere, reciprocity on the horizon, the '34 NFA being undercut, etc.

Don't forget, those same "kids" were raised in the anti gunners environment, which makes them susceptible to doing the opposite as their token resistance to their elders. And it's showing with many of the things they discuss and tweet. Unlike the manipulated and paid for imagemakers who seem to be spouting a message of gun control. Not only are sales still going up, but those youth are buying them, too. While hunter rolls may be declining gun sales don't seem to be whatsoever. And it's not the same people buying more and more - I see them come into the store in my Open Carry state. It's less a shock to see "children" driving cars as much as it used to be, carrying guns? It's happening.

As for Tide Pods don't forget the kids of the '50s were swallowing goldfish in the day . . .

 

[hdwhit]

Anyone care to read it?

No.

It's a markup of a bill. It hasn't even been submitted, it lacks a House Resolution number. Markups like this get drafted by fringe elements in the Congress and circulated to the media every year and nothing comes of them.

When:

• It actually gets submitted, and
  
• Actually gets referred to a committee, and
• There's a companion bill pending in the Senate,

Then, I will take the time to read it and decide how to respond. Until then, this is nothing more than a fundraising tool for some allegedly pro-gun groups to use in wringing money out of the faithful so they can cover their bar tab at a future strategy meeting.

 

[Tommygunn]

..... As for Tide Pods don't forget the kids of the '50s were swallowing goldfish in the day . . .

Goldfish have more protein than Tidepods, as well as being somewhat less toxic.

 

[Scooter22]

Goldfish have more protein than Tidepods, as well as being somewhat less toxic.

True but Tidepods will give a clean, soft and static free colon.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

"To regulate the importation, manufacture, possession, sale or transfer of assault weapons, and for other purposes."

See, THIS is the part that gets me.

If Congress is going to "regulate" (read: "ban") "assault weapons", which they call "weapons of war" or "military weapons", then it seems to me that they need to define "assault weapons" the same way the MILITARY does.

But, of course, they do not.

Automatic weapons have been regulated since 1934, therefore "assault weapons" are also regulated.

Therefore, any "assault weapon" bill ought to be automatically thrown out.

But that's just my opinion, which won't even get you a cup of coffee at McDonalds unless you also have a dollar.