atf ruling announced at shot shot coming on monday?

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The ATF has previously ruled that competition shooting is not a "sporting purpose". The sporting purpose clause is really just a dodge. Basically the law says that the ATF can restrict any gun they want over .50 cal. Our dear leaders allow us to have any 12 ga. shotguns at all simply out of the kindness of their hearts.

As we all know, the founders put the Second Amendment in the Constitution to protect hunters :rolleyes:
 
Remember that rumors are just rumors. Putting stock into those is a loosing proposition.

I think it may be loosening some restrictions, if they actually pay attention the way state laws are going now--it may be an attempt to stave off some sort of lawsuit a la Heller.

Since Saiga has followed every shotgun law, and is configured much in the same way that, say, a Beretta semi-auto would be if they had a gas piston, the logical part of me says that the ATF doesn't have any lawful reason to restrict them. At worst, they could demand they can't use AK stocks. Then again, there's no A, T, or F in 'logic'.

More likely, I'm thinking it's targeting Taurus. I feel that it may have been a better move to market the Judge as "The big .45 Long Colt revolver (that may or may not accept .410)" and not "The revolver that fires shotgun shells but isn't technically considered a SBS, AOW, or DD." How happy do you think the ATF was about that?
 
Time will tell....very short amount of time actually, but I would believe that the Hierarchy of Taurus would have presented the Raging 28 idea to the ATF before they started making it?

Hope So.... I want one of them for lots of reasons! Novelty! Old Cartridge! Home Defense, Just to have one!, Its Neat! Its A Wildcat!

And goodnesss its so blasted big its funny! :what:
 
How did we get to the point where a "sporting purpose" was the maker or breaker of a gun model?

And how can a competition NOT be a "sporting purpose" according to the BATFE?

Sport –noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport)
 
I just don't remember ATF, in the past, making an announcement that they would be making an announcement. Maybe they're just trying to stir up the forums to get some ideas.
 
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives! That is just way TOO MANY fun things for ONE group of bureaucratic government idiots to have control over.

Heck, why not just let them regulate Muscle Cars, Football and Bikini Models so they can be renamed the U.S. Department of Buzzkill?

Glad to see my tax money isn't going to WASTE while taking away my Constitutional Rights at the exact same time. Oh wait....

You would think somebody in Washington would realize the politically appointed and involuntary taxfunded BATFE could better use it's resources (read: OUR hard-earned money) in a more productive manner. They could go after domestic terrorists, gun-running 1% M.C.s and all these invisible men allegedly sending guns to Mexican cartels. Just a thought.
 
I was wondering that, too. Why get people riled up? If they stir up publicity like this, then ban Saigas or something, it's going to wind up like soccer season in England.
 
I guess it's more important to keep those whackjob 3-gun competitors from owning poorly finished Com-bloc shotguns. They might go nuts and win a cheap plastic trophy or something else horrible. We can all sleep easier with Big Brother watching ..... watching over.... I mean watching out for us.
 
The batfe does not regulate alcohol or tobacco

They transferred That responsibility to treasury back in 2004 under the 'homeland security' reorganization

They have a 1.4 billion dollar budget to crack down on a 4 billion dollar industry

Ever wonder why they are always on the scene of random and totally unrelated busts?

They literally have nothin better to do
 
Here's the only thing I've found so far, and it's just another message board post elsewhere. Copy & Paste:

There IS an announcement supposed to be posted today, but it's a STUDY. It's similar to one released 20 years ago, and clarifies the non importable features. As far as the Saiga 12, it should be safe, as the study identifies shotguns with detachable magazines with a capacity over 5 rounds, or drums. Since the Saiga is imported with 5 round mags, it does NOT fall into this category. #2 on the list was a bayonet lug. Know what has those? 1897 trench gun copies...and even though they're a replica of a historic shotgun, it's still affected, and likely will no longer be imported.
 
AJAX22, I did notice when we had that fugitive in the Chandler resteraunt, and 5000 LEO showed up, there was at least two or three ATF windbreakers I could see. Wondered what they thought thier jurisdiction was...
 
I was wondering that, too. Why get people riled up? If they stir up publicity like this, then ban Saigas or something, it's going to wind up like soccer season in England.
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Because Americans rarely get riled up and take to the streets. The Queens car was attacked in London over a tuition hike....not that I am condoning anything like that whatsoever, but that just wouldn't happen in the US.
 
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And how can a competition NOT be a "sporting purpose" according to the BATFE?
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"Sporting" in the way the ATF means it means hunting because at one time that's what "Sporting Arms" meant in common parlance (just like at one time "regulated" meant to keep in good working order, not control by fiat).



At any rate, is the announcement supposed to be today or tomorrow?
 
Supposed to be today. Still nothing.

But to be fair, as far as I can tell, the first place the word 'ruling' was used was on a blog post at Prince law offices ATF blog.

As far as I can see, the ATF used the word 'announcement', and never said 'ruling.'
 
That does make more sense. The ATF would be more likely to come out with rulings as soon as they make them, or announce "in light of circumstances, the bureau is investigating", or something. Working up publicity speaks of either good news (do you really think they would want to go to the SHOT Show to announce they are putting some of those vendors out of business?) or an announcement of a survey or study or the like.
 
This whole thing has gotten to the point there's some REAL tin foil hattery out there.

How about a theory that Arsenal USA paid Harry Reid (campaign contributions) to make sure the BATF makes every Saiga 12 a DD EXCEPT for the Arsenal-USA/KVAR one so that they can have a monopoly on the platform?

And another theory that this whole thing is a rumor that the ATF put out to try and find a leak within their ranks.
 
I can't find anything on the ATF website. No press releases, no new rulings, basically nothing.
 
You mean ... another round of internet scaremongering?

Have we come full circle again? Is it time for Blair Holt's bill to be posted with a link to Snopes debunking it included in the outraged OP's copypasta?
 
So... a handgun made to fire shotgun shells, with no corresponding handgun round. Pretty darn close to what I was saying.

How did they think that would turn out?

I'm just surprised the ATF didn't wait for them to fully tool up and make a few thousand, to really stick them in their wallets.
 
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