atf ruling announced at shot shot coming on monday?

[jojo200517]

Well is there any more to it than this 28 gauge revolver being declared a SBS? It seems taurus needs to invent and market a bullet load for it. Even tho the bore is .550 (from what i gather) it seems that other over half inch bore handguns have gotten a green light as not destructive devices. I do believe the 600 nitro express revolver that was made was ruled to not be a destructive device (besides for your wrists and possibly your forehead).

I think they could make some heavy but slow bullets, call it the .550 softy or something? Ultimately people would probably still buy it to shoot the 28 gauge shells in it but if having a normal round (even a wildcat) would get them by it seems it would be easier to sell it that way than with a tax stamp on each one.

 

[Zundfolge]

A new caliber >.50 would still be a Destructive Device, so I'd say the 28ga Judge is just plain toast (too bad, it made a lot more sense to me than the silly .410).

Well I'm kinda relieved that they seem to be staying away from the Saigas and the new KelTec shottie.

 

[Andy Griffith]

My question is, why is fine to give large bore rifles a variance, and there is no record of variances for large bore handguns? Seems to me a lawsuit would be in order.

Large bore handgun are very sporting, and are as American as apple pie- and I like variety.

In all seriousness, if variances are given for large bore rifles, why not handguns?
That seems to me that the law hasn't been applied evenly across the board, and may be good grounds for a lawsuit or legislative action to clear all this mess up.

On the other hand, maybe we don't want anything fooled with. But, the time seems right to push back the anti's and get a fool hold going the other direction. A little momentum can go a long way.

 

[Spec ops Grunt]

So, did the ATF just troll everyone at SHOT just for the heck of it?

 

[shotgunjoel]

I'm just surprised the ATF didn't wait for them to fully tool up and make a few thousand, to really stick them in their wallets.

No way, if they waited that long, then some of those evil airplane-shooting, long range sniping, preferred cop-killer weapons would be out in the market! We wouldn't want that now, would we! They'd "nip it in the bud" to 'protect' us all.

 

[Sam1911]

So... a handgun made to fire shotgun shells, with no corresponding handgun round. Pretty darn close to what I was saying.

How did they think that would turn out?

I'm just surprised the ATF didn't wait for them to fully tool up and make a few thousand, to really stick them in their wallets.

Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 44, Section 921 of the US Code lists this as the definition of a shotgun:

(5) The term “shotgun” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.

And this definition of a short-barreled shotgun:

(6) The term “short-barreled shotgun” means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification or otherwise) if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

Title 26, 5845 (covering the NFA registration/taxing) says that:

For the purpose of this chapter - (a) Firearm The term ''firearm'' means (1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length ...

So, whatever it is, it shouldn't be a short-barreled shotgun, as it does not meet the definition of a shotgun to begin with!

ESPECIALLY so, considering that the ATF's published letter on PGOs states that a smoothbore weapon manufactured without a shoulder stock (and having no shoulder stock later installed) is NOT a shotgun, but is an "Other Firearm." (Of course, you do still have to keep it over 26", even thought the barrel can be less than 18". Maybe that's where Taurus is running afoul?)

How very strange. Who knows...maybe they just make stuff up as they go along?

Naaaah, couldn't be...

 

[TexasRifleman]

Since it appears there will be nothing new for now we can close this.