dickydalton
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What Mike said!
Don't forget boys, the first Walkers weren't made at Colt's factory but at Eli Whitney's!
Don't forget boys, the first Walkers weren't made at Colt's factory but at Eli Whitney's!
Authentic Colt Walker
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Chili_pepper917
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very cool
Crawdad1
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I agree Mike, They are Colts because Colt WILL letter all of the Second Generation Colt black powder revolvers.
dickydalton
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It sure is tough to get some people to acknowledge this Fact.
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Old Fuff
Wanted to thank you for the links to the Rock Island Auction website. As you say it's a great way to look over the various details of guns that are priced well beyond most of our means. Speaking of which: Lot#1093. Simply Wow! A well documented, cased with accessories, factory engraved Colt Pocket Model (Baby) Paterson No.1; estimated to go for between $400,000 to $600,000. Now that's what I would call absolutely authentic!
Wanted to thank you for the links to the Rock Island Auction website. As you say it's a great way to look over the various details of guns that are priced well beyond most of our means. Speaking of which: Lot#1093. Simply Wow! A well documented, cased with accessories, factory engraved Colt Pocket Model (Baby) Paterson No.1; estimated to go for between $400,000 to $600,000. Now that's what I would call absolutely authentic!
The Difference Between Authentic and Original
Key difference: Adjectives authentic and original are often considered to be same in their meanings; but they slightly differ; i.e. any authentic thing is not original and vice–versa. The word ‘authentic’ means reliable or genuine which can be equivalent to original, but not original. While, the word ‘original’ means the first or the earliest of all, which exist from its birth, the real true form from which replicas can be made, but those won’t be the original one.
Terms, like ‘authenticate’ and ‘original’ are often taken as same; but they are not, they are different form each another. For consideration, authentic things are made as original ones, which means these are authenticated and processed from all sources and made approved and authenticate as per all the rules and regulations. Especially, all these takes place in case of notary or any law related documents and papers. While, original is a term which refers to any real and true thing which exist right from its origin or birth. These things do not have any change in them; especially the historical preserved monuments and scriptures are considered to be original. So, both terms relates to different perspective and hence are used accordingly.
The adjective ‘authenticate’ relates to something which is real or genuine and not fake or counterfeit. It also describes something which is reliable or the one which is based on standard and approved facts and hence these things are believes and followed accordingly. As these are not fake or unreal; especially there are authenticated documents, papers, jewelers etc. hence, people trust on these objects and things accordingly and follow them.
The adjective ‘original’ relates to very beginning or the first thing. For example every individual is an original piece made by the almighty and there is no one like that same individual, somewhere or the other there will be slight difference. Hence, originals are true things which are one and only one. Their copies can be made for reference; hence those copies can be called as replicas but not the original ones.
Hence, originals are the real ones; while authentic are the reliable ones. They are not one and the same, originals are not made they are already there in existence right from their birth. While, authentic things are made authenticated and are real processed ones according to the rules and regulations. Both can have copies, but those copies can be considered only for reference purposes.
Comparison between Authentic and Original... for whatever it is worth;
Authentic = real or genuine and not counterfeit.
Original = They are the very first.
Key difference: Adjectives authentic and original are often considered to be same in their meanings; but they slightly differ; i.e. any authentic thing is not original and vice–versa. The word ‘authentic’ means reliable or genuine which can be equivalent to original, but not original. While, the word ‘original’ means the first or the earliest of all, which exist from its birth, the real true form from which replicas can be made, but those won’t be the original one.
Terms, like ‘authenticate’ and ‘original’ are often taken as same; but they are not, they are different form each another. For consideration, authentic things are made as original ones, which means these are authenticated and processed from all sources and made approved and authenticate as per all the rules and regulations. Especially, all these takes place in case of notary or any law related documents and papers. While, original is a term which refers to any real and true thing which exist right from its origin or birth. These things do not have any change in them; especially the historical preserved monuments and scriptures are considered to be original. So, both terms relates to different perspective and hence are used accordingly.
The adjective ‘authenticate’ relates to something which is real or genuine and not fake or counterfeit. It also describes something which is reliable or the one which is based on standard and approved facts and hence these things are believes and followed accordingly. As these are not fake or unreal; especially there are authenticated documents, papers, jewelers etc. hence, people trust on these objects and things accordingly and follow them.
The adjective ‘original’ relates to very beginning or the first thing. For example every individual is an original piece made by the almighty and there is no one like that same individual, somewhere or the other there will be slight difference. Hence, originals are true things which are one and only one. Their copies can be made for reference; hence those copies can be called as replicas but not the original ones.
Hence, originals are the real ones; while authentic are the reliable ones. They are not one and the same, originals are not made they are already there in existence right from their birth. While, authentic things are made authenticated and are real processed ones according to the rules and regulations. Both can have copies, but those copies can be considered only for reference purposes.
Comparison between Authentic and Original... for whatever it is worth;
Authentic = real or genuine and not counterfeit.
Original = They are the very first.
Moving On...
I started this thread simply to say "howdy" to everyone... and let you folks know that I purchased an 'AUTHENTIC' 2'd gen Colt Walker. I had no Idea that my thread would become de-railed in this manner, but "Hey!" I guess it keeps things interesting and fun. Good luck with all of the 'hair-splitting'. I'm personally moving on to other subjects.
Enjoy...
I started this thread simply to say "howdy" to everyone... and let you folks know that I purchased an 'AUTHENTIC' 2'd gen Colt Walker. I had no Idea that my thread would become de-railed in this manner, but "Hey!" I guess it keeps things interesting and fun. Good luck with all of the 'hair-splitting'. I'm personally moving on to other subjects.
Enjoy...
dickydalton
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Sure you aren't a lawyer?
Crawdad1
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Got to admit WestTex we do get carried away sometimes.
I have a Shiloh Sharps that I shoot with Swiss 1 1/2 fg powder. I use this with my Walker as well since that is what I have on hand. I carry the Walker as my back up gun when I'm hunting with the Shiloh. I usually load it with 50 gr. of the 1 1/2 fg. Here is a picture of me night firing it. The picture was taken from behind and to the left of me. The flame shot out 6+ feet, probably a lot further:
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Peter M. Eick
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Full house, 60 grns pyrodex load with my Walker.
I like my "Walker Monopod" that drops down on firing full power loads.
Unlike some, I view my Walker as a disposable toy. I bought it to shoot full power loads and do so nearly every time. Why not? It was cheap, fun and I don't shoot it often.
Yes I will probably stretch it and some day it will be retired because I peened up this or stretched that but heck. Every shot is a trip with it, it is accurate, fun and enjoyable to shoot.
Besides even with Pyrodex, it still draws a crowd at the range.
Harrington-Richardson
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Uberti Manual
Uberti Manual pdf recommends max load for .44 cal ball at 30 gr. Conical max at 25 gr.
http://www.uberti.com/sites/default/files/originals/product-manuals/black_powder_revolvers.pdf
60 gr. w/ conical is thee intended load Walker and Colt designed this gun for. That said, a number of Walker Colt cylinders failed at this load -- Rangers were running 60 gr. w/ inverted conicals. Also, metallurgy was not what it is now.
I have a Smith & Wesson 629, and a Ruger Blackhawk, both in .44 mag. I don't need to over-charge the Walker. 40 gr. sounds about right.
Uberti Manual pdf recommends max load for .44 cal ball at 30 gr. Conical max at 25 gr.
http://www.uberti.com/sites/default/files/originals/product-manuals/black_powder_revolvers.pdf
60 gr. w/ conical is thee intended load Walker and Colt designed this gun for. That said, a number of Walker Colt cylinders failed at this load -- Rangers were running 60 gr. w/ inverted conicals. Also, metallurgy was not what it is now.
I have a Smith & Wesson 629, and a Ruger Blackhawk, both in .44 mag. I don't need to over-charge the Walker. 40 gr. sounds about right.
Peter M. Eick
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Thanks for the update what Uberti recommends. I will have to dig out my paperwork on mine because I thought they had originally recommended 55 grns of ffg for the Walker. It was a xeroxed small insert in the paperwork but that was so long ago, I could be wrong.
Anyway, 60 grns is fun and like I said, if I destroy it, it was a "blast" doing so.
Anyway, 60 grns is fun and like I said, if I destroy it, it was a "blast" doing so.
PainlessWolf
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Good afternoon,
I use 50 grs of Pyrodex in my Walker and it provides a nice long Boom with the attendant cloud of smoke and tongue of flame. That's the same load that works very well in the shotgun barrel of the LeMat with an ounce of lead shot.
regards!
I use 50 grs of Pyrodex in my Walker and it provides a nice long Boom with the attendant cloud of smoke and tongue of flame. That's the same load that works very well in the shotgun barrel of the LeMat with an ounce of lead shot.
regards!
Noz
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A CAS friend shoots a Walker on one side and a Dragoon on the other. He has settled at 45 grains of FFg as a happy medium. Plenty of smoke and fire but a little less damage to the gun and shooter. He uses a bandana rag tied to the barrel of the Walker to keep the "monopod" where it belongs.
He also shoots an Uberti Henry and an outside hammer 10 ga as his competition guns.
He shoots the revolvers as a double duelist. One hand unsupported. Dragoon left handed and Walker right.
He also shoots an Uberti Henry and an outside hammer 10 ga as his competition guns.
He shoots the revolvers as a double duelist. One hand unsupported. Dragoon left handed and Walker right.
expat_alaska
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Does he look like Clint Eastwood (or, rather Josey Wales)? Josey did it 1860 Army right and Dragoon/Walker left (depending upon the scene).
I'm old and envy all of you folks able to participate in such matches.
Kudos!
Josey did it 1860 Army right and Dragoon/Walker left (depending upon the scene).I'm old and envy all of you folks able to participate in such matches.
Kudos!
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VA27
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On my old ASM Walker I just poured in 2f until the chamber was full and mashed a ball down on top of it. Smeared BoreButter on the front of the cylinder and let 'er rip! I dunno how much powder that was, but it was enough for plenty of fire and smoke. I eventually traded it off and it was still going strong.
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Peter M,
If you had one set up correctly, you could shoot all you want and not "have" to buy another one. It wouldn't destroy itself.
You might even consider "hot rodding" a Dragoon by having a Walker cylinder fitted to it! Imagine that, a Dragoon that shoots 60 grs !!! Better yet, a PAIR of them!!
Mike
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If you had one set up correctly, you could shoot all you want and not "have" to buy another one. It wouldn't destroy itself.
You might even consider "hot rodding" a Dragoon by having a Walker cylinder fitted to it! Imagine that, a Dragoon that shoots 60 grs !!! Better yet, a PAIR of them!!
Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
CraigC
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This is getting out of hand. We hear all the time, "buy a Colt, everything else is just a copy". By your strange logic, 2nd and 3rd generation SAA's are not "the real deal". Please.
PainlessWolf
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Good Morning,
I saw the same mentality from a lot of folks when I was a Rider. "Only Harleys are 'real' motorcycles" There was a lot of Butthurt to be spread around when Indian became a going concern again. *chuckles* I rode Honda four stackers, Goldwings and Kawasakis and was perfectly happy and covered a lot of miles in the 30+ years that I rode. I hope that I'm not going to be braced with the same sort of nonsense here with my new interest in shooting black powder revolvers. I'm shopping for a Colt Dragoon model but the prices are up there so a lot of research is needed. Until then, my Pietta LeMat, Uberti Walker and Ruschetta 1860 Army fill the bill wonderfully and are prized for their good looks and shooting graces.
regards all!
I saw the same mentality from a lot of folks when I was a Rider. "Only Harleys are 'real' motorcycles" There was a lot of Butthurt to be spread around when Indian became a going concern again. *chuckles* I rode Honda four stackers, Goldwings and Kawasakis and was perfectly happy and covered a lot of miles in the 30+ years that I rode. I hope that I'm not going to be braced with the same sort of nonsense here with my new interest in shooting black powder revolvers. I'm shopping for a Colt Dragoon model but the prices are up there so a lot of research is needed. Until then, my Pietta LeMat, Uberti Walker and Ruschetta 1860 Army fill the bill wonderfully and are prized for their good looks and shooting graces.
regards all!
I talked to the Colt Brooklyn shop when they were making the third generation Black Powder pistols. From what little information I got out of the guys, Colt 3rd Gen pistols, there was just enough machining and handfitting left to be able to stamp the pistols "made in America". However, content laws have been diluted to the point that made in America means very little. The major parts came from Italy, I suspect they were Uberti. I am very certain all the handfitting and polishing was done in Brooklyn, I am very doubtful any machining was conducted there, but something could have. They were very cagey about what exactly was done, which tells me, they actually did very little.
Crawdad1
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Same here.
These revolvers get hard use while shooting and cleaning more so then a modern cartridge revolver. More likely than not you are tearing the guts out of them on a regular basis. The Italian models have all the spare parts you'll ever need, hand springs do snap and screws get misplaced or dropped or whatever. Plus, the Second and Third Generation Colts missed out on the conversion craze that makes the Italian built ones all that much better.
I love my Colts but my Uberti 1860 Army does all the work. Target practice, range time, hunting and when she's all cleaned up I slip in the conversion and she sits on a shelf in my bedroom for night watch duty. Can't beat it.
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"Authentic" derives from "author" "authority" -- the connotation being that "authentic" means it's "real." "Original" means "first source."
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