Auto safety Release (patent Pending)

[Erhan]

Hi
İ want to introduce you a new safety machanism.İ know there are a lot of safetys on the market and they do there job well.
My invention is simple,easy to learn and use,very good located,no risk of malfunction because of simplicity....
Well,after watching the video,iwill be glad to hear your thoughts about it..
Thank you

 

[Davek1977]

I guess I don't understand how this would be applicable to a good many handguns being striker fired and/or "double action only" Too, in most defensive shootings, Id certainly think simply pulling the double-action trigger would be much quicker, while being safe enough for the vast majority of gun owners, than fiddling with a hammer at all. If you must manunally cock the hammer, an auto pistol has no real first shot advantage over the single action revolver, a design most find antiquated for modern defensive use.

 

[Erhan]

Hi
İts applicable to DA guns,but only with hammer!
DA trigger have a long way and more pull force is needed.The gun slider is locked,the trigger is enabled,and the gun is secure against falling and any outside force.İts safe to carry loaded in the holster..İn any emergency,you can pull the trigger during holstering and teh safety is released.,the gun is cocked..So fast and easy...
Thank you

 

[Erhan]

Hi
With a gun with striker,wich dont have a safety lever,that means the trigger can be pulled accidently,maybe during holstering,maybe falling down..İf you have a safety lever,then you must open it..Much people reported that they forgot to open the safety and recognişze that after pulling the trigger!Because the lever is out of your vision when you are aiming..My system the safety is in front of your eye!..and make the gun thinner and not sticky because of no lever on the side!

Thank you

 

[maxxhavoc]

This would be a useful feature on a 1911. Decocking on a loaded chamber is unsafe unless done carefully. This system could take the place of your thumb between the hammer and frame. I have lost control of the hammer on an officers model, and your thumb can get one heck of a pinch from that.

Most modern DA pistols have firing pin blocks, which do the same thing as this does essentially. Also, modern revolvers use transfer bars which also do the same thing...but you have the same issues with decocking as the 1911.

That rear sight seems like it would be too tall when the safety is disengaged.

I like to see new innovations. Keep it up!

 

[Erhan]

This would be a useful feature on a 1911. Decocking on a loaded chamber is unsafe unless done carefully. This system could take the place of your thumb between the hammer and frame. I have lost control of the hammer on an officers model, and your thumb can get one heck of a pinch from that.

Most modern DA pistols have firing pin blocks, which do the same thing as this does essentially. Also, modern revolvers use transfer bars which also do the same thing...but you have the same issues with decocking as the 1911.

That rear sight seems like it would be too tall when the safety is disengaged.

I like to see new innovations. Keep it up!

Thank you
Yes,the safe decocking option is included in my system.İ know that there are different solutions for the problem like transfer bar or blocks,but iam sure you agree with me,that lower parts means less malfunction and less care!
And this is a Prototype and of course if any manufacturer will use this mechanism on there guns,they will modify it to the right size..
Thank you

 

[Davek1977]

While I always enjoy seeing new technology, this, at least to me, seems like a solution in search of a problem. I think even the longer pull of a double-action trigger would be SIGNIFICANTLY faster than thumbing the hammer back., as would be disengaging a "normal" type of safety. I just can't think of a problem that this particular technology addresses, that wouldnt significantly complicate things in a defensive situation. Mot people have trained with their carry weapon enough that a significant change to the manual of arms of create a more dangerous situation rather than a safer situation.

 

[Erhan]

While I always enjoy seeing new technology, this, at least to me, seems like a solution in search of a problem. I think even the longer pull of a double-action trigger would be SIGNIFICANTLY faster than thumbing the hammer back., as would be disengaging a "normal" type of safety. I just can't think of a problem that this particular technology addresses, that wouldnt significantly complicate things in a defensive situation. Mot people have trained with their carry weapon enough that a significant change to the manual of arms of create a more dangerous situation rather than a safer situation.

if you dont have any safety lever wich you have to switch to fire,then you can be right but the fasters shooters use revolvers and cock the hammer during holstering!
The greatest problem of the beretta 92 is,the safety levers on the sides are stick to the holster and sometimes the position can change!isnt that a problem wich needs a solution?
Thank you

 

[Jim Watson]

This is not a product I would use.
Thumb cocking an automatic pistol leads to an insecure grasp on the weapon as you show in the video.
It is slower than disengaging a properly located thumb safety.
The double action first shot with a Beretta type pistol is not difficult.
A good holster does not stick or move the slide mounted lever on a Beretta.

İn any emergency,you can pull the trigger during holstering and teh safety is released.,

This is not what your video shows.

you can pull the trigger during holstering

the fasters shooters use revolvers and cock the hammer during holstering!

Touching the hammer or trigger during holstering is a very stupid thing to do.
Or is "holstering" a poor translation and you really mean "drawing?"
Even so, it is poor practice to pull the trigger before the gun is aimed and cocking a revolver hammer during the draw is best left to fast draw firing only blanks.

 

[Erhan]

Hi
you are right..i meant, when you pull the gun out from the holster!.The Hammer is designed for thumb cocking!The fastest shooters use SA revolvers..
You can cock the hammer very fast during pulling out of the holster!Gunmen do this since over 100 years!You have a beretta 92 fs standart and i have one with my system.Both are in safe position... You have to change the safety lever and pull the trigger ,on the long and heavy way , to cock ...i cock and open safety during aiming the gun with my thumb!
Wich one is faster?

 

[TomJ]

The DA/SA guns I own have SA trigger pulls of about 10lbs. I don't believe an additional safety is needed for those guns. As others mentioned, under the stress of a SD situation, I'm not sure I want to have to cock the hammer and adjust my grip again in order to shoot.

 

[Erhan]

Also,it was possible for me to design this system, for open the safety and cock with the trigger.But then i need a trigger safety!.Now,on modern guns they have 4 ore more safety features!i have just two..the sight and the security notch on the hammer.(when the hammer flush from your thumb during cocking)..
less parts means less maintenance and less malfunction.The manifacturing of this system is easy..And think,you hold the gun with two hands and you press down the sight..safe release the sight ..fire..if you are under stress ,you have the chance to control your shot with two things.one is the trigger and the second is the sight!

 

[Erhan]

The DA/SA guns I own have SA trigger pulls of about 10lbs. I don't believe an additional safety is needed for those guns. As others mentioned, under the stress of a SD situation, I'm not sure I want to have to cock the hammer and adjust my grip again in order to shoot.

This system is useable for both systems.SA/DA...When you press the sight down,it press the trigger lever down and engage the trigger this way!so if you want you can cock the gun with the trigger too..of course when the sight is up

 

[Erhan]

Your answers help me understand,that my video is not enough to explain the mechanic!..the best way is to give you try with the gun.
But iam sure that, cocking the hammer during pulling from the holster, is a very fast and million times used method...

 

[Frank Ettin]

....But iam sure that, cocking the hammer during pulling from the holster, is a very fast and million times used method...

If you are sure about that you know very little (or nothing) about actual gun handling.

Watch this video. This is how drawing a gun from a holster is taught at Gunsite, one of our finest shooting schools. This is pretty much the gold standard technique. Notice that one starts by taking a full, firing grip on the gun, with the trigger finger off the trigger and indexed along the frame before beginning to remove the gun from the holster.

Cocking the hammer during the draw is a technique used with single action revolvers when doing a "fast draw" -- these days done mostly for competition.

While some folks carry a single action semi-auto with the hammer down and thumb cock the hammer, that's fairly uncommon today. The standard method of carrying a single action semi-automatic is with a round in the chamber, hammer cocked and safety engaged.

I don't particularly like the idea of a moveable rear sight. Things wear or stick, so the proper regulation (adjustment) of the sights is compromised or subject to change.

The thing is that I don't see how your system adds anything. I think it's based on a lack of knowledge about the practical use of a handgun in a dynamic situation. You'd probably understand that better if you had some solid training in practical handgun use/competition such as IPSC or IDPA competition.

I've fired a lot of ammunition in formal, practical training, in IPSC competition, and in informal, I dynamic practice. Looking back on all that shooting, I can't imagine any way your device could have been useful to me or improved my safety or performance.

 

[TomJ]

Erhan,
There is no quicker way to get shot off than pulling your gun and shooting. Any additional step you add does two things. First, it adds to the time to get that shot off, even if it's a negligible amount of time. Second, it adds another opportunity for a failure or mistake. If you're going to add these things, my opinion is that there needs to be a problem you're solving so the benefits of your product outweigh the additional step you're adding. I can see it's use for a 1911, where you're replacing one safety with another, although my personal preference is the current safety. Others may prefer yours. I can't see it for a Sig or Beretta, where a 10 pound trigger pull and being able to place your thumb on the trigger when holstering make the guns, in my opinion, safe enough.

 

[Erhan]

If you are sure about that you know very little (or nothing) about actual gun handling.

Watch this video. This is how drawing a gun from a holster is taught at Gunsite, one of our finest shooting schools. This is pretty much the gold standard technique. Notice that one starts by taking a full, firing grip on the gun, with the trigger finger off the trigger and indexed along the frame before beginning to remove the gun from the holster.

Cocking the hammer during the draw is a technique used with single action revolvers when doing a "fast draw" -- these days done mostly for competition.

While some folks carry a single action semi-auto with the hammer down and thumb cock the hammer, that's fairly uncommon today. The standard method of carrying a single action semi-automatic is with a round in the chamber, hammer cocked and safety engaged.

I don't particularly like the idea of a moveable rear sight. Things wear or stick, so the proper regulation (adjustment) of the sights is compromised or subject to change.

The thing is that I don't see how your system adds anything. I think it's based on a lack of knowledge about the practical use of a handgun in a dynamic situation. You'd probably understand that better if you had some solid training in practical handgun use/competition such as IPSC or IDPA competition.

I've fires a lot of ammunition in formal, practical training, in IPSC competition, and in informal, dynamic practice. Looking back on all that shooting, I can't imagine any way your device could have been useful to me or improved my safety or performance.

Hi.iam sorry but i cant notice how the shooter disengaged the safety lever in the video?without safety you can use my system also this way!!.when the sight is not pressed down,the gun handles like any DA semi auto!..this is the point of the system!you have to open the safety and cock the hammer with the trigger!.can you do that in one move?

 

[Erhan]

Holstering safe enough!ok.that means you use your gun without safety,just on fire position!.ok,like i said,you can use my system the same way and use the sight for decocking only....

 

[Erhan]

I know that when you going to a shooting place,everybody cock the gun for the first shoot manually..because that means less power and a cleaner shot..agree?

 

[ATLDave]

I know that when you going to a shooting place,everybody cock the gun for the first shoot manually..because that means less power and a cleaner shot..agree?

No.

With all due respect, it appears as though you are attempting to engineer (or sell) a human-factors/ergonomic product in a context where you do not understand the relevant human-factors/ergonomics.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Hi.iam sorry but i cant notice how the shooter disengaged the safety lever in the video?....

That's because he's using a SIG Sauer which doesn't have a safety lever to disengage.

Now, I've used a 1911 for many years. I carry a 1911 in condition 1, i. e., chamber loaded, hammer cocked, and safety engaged. On drawing the gun, after the gun has clear the holster and is being rotated onto the target, I disengage the safety with my thumb (which rests on the safety) while keeping my trigger finger off the trigger and indexed on the frame. No time is lost disengaging the safety because it's done between the time the gun leaves the holster and the gun is on target.

....without safety you can use my system also this way!!.when the sight is not pressed down,the gun handles like any DA semi auto!...

So why would I want your gadget? It serves no purpose. I can manage a DA semi-auto (or DA/SA semi-auto, or s single action semi-auto) perfectly well and safely without it.

.....you have to open the safety and cock the hammer with the trigger!.can you do that in one move?

The slide mounted safeties, like that on the Beretta 92, the Walter P38, many of the Smith & Wesson semi-automatics, and similar guns, are more awkward to use than the frame mounted safety of a 1911 or Browning P35. But with practice those can still be disengaged during the draw between the time the gun leaves the holster and the gun is on target. So again, no time is lost.

So I'm sorry, Erhan, but I have no possible use for your gadget.

 

[TomJ]

I know that when you going to a shooting place,everybody cock the gun for the first shoot manually..because that means less power and a cleaner shot..agree?

I practice both DA and SA, as I use my Sig as a carry gun and need to be proficient with it in DA, not just SA.

 

[Erhan]

My friend,i have a beretta with safety lever on the side.when i carry the gun with a loaded chamber and safety position on fire,then you are right...you can be faster than me.....but when your safety is on safe position,then you cant be faster !!!because you have to make one move more...

 

[ATLDave]

....but when your safety is on safe position,then you cant be faster !!!because you have to make one move more...

Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Demonstrably, empirically wrong. For any decently-designed pistol with a safety, taking off the safety is done concurrently with the draw.

If you had even been involved in competitive shooting, you would know that a large majority of all of the fastest shooters in USPSA/IPSC use guns that happen to have safeties. It does not add a single millisecond of time to the draw.

Again, you may be a good engineer. You appear to lack a basic understanding of the relevant human factors.

 

[Jim Watson]

Hi
you are right..i meant, when you pull the gun out from the holster!.The Hammer is designed for thumb cocking!The fastest shooters use SA revolvers..
You can cock the hammer very fast during pulling out of the holster!Gunmen do this since over 100 years!You have a beretta 92 fs standart and i have one with my system.Both are in safe position... You have to change the safety lever and pull the trigger ,on the long and heavy way , to cock ...i cock and open safety during aiming the gun with my thumb!
Wich one is faster?

The fastest shooters using SA revolvers are shooting blanks because the gun is cocked before it leaves the holster. They also have steel deflector plates at the bottom of the holster to protect their leg from powder burn if they touch it off too soon.

If I have a Beretta 92 FS standard, I draw it and pull the trigger. I do not use the factory decocking lever as a safety. I would prefer the Beretta 92 G where it cannot stay down as a safety. What I actually have is Sig Sauer which has no manual safety at all.

If you draw a gun from the holster, cock it with your thumb, and fire an actual shot, the way you play with it in the video, you are not likely to hit the target and you may well drop the pistol.

I have operated handguns in most of the ways that their actions allow, including a period when I did thumb cock an automatic pistol. I have settled on the "cocked and locked" condition for a pistol with a properly located safety (1911, not Beretta) and double action first shot for pistols like the Sig Sauer, which is what I have instead of Beretta, and double action for modern revolvers. I can cock a single action revolver well enough to get by, but it is not what I would choose for self defense.

I hope your device is successful, but I will not likely be a customer.