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Yup. I lived there the first half of my life, before I got a real life in a state that at least respects some of my rights.
It's going to get worse if the gun owners here don't get off their butts and speak up. Right now, waiting in the wings, is a "fix the foid act" bill.
 
In Connecticut, it's illegal for a felon to hunt with a black powder gun because its possession by a felon is illegal.

And if a person is on parole under transitional supervision then basically being in possession of any weapon is prohibited, even a knife.
That doesn't mean that CT law requires that a background check be done.
However what gun shop wants to be sued by a victim if they sell a black powder gun to a prohibited person?

A person can understand the dilemma that some gun shop owners in some states must face when an owner decides whether to ask people to sign a Federal form when buying a black powder gun stating that they are not a prohibited person.
The USA has so many overlapping laws and jurisdictions that complicates what would otherwise be a simple transaction under Federal law.
Some gun shop owners must feel the need to legally protect themselves somehow when doing such a transaction.

Posted by a CT Conservation Officer [ENCON]:

"A black powder rifle is still considered a firearm for the purposes of the prohibition for convicted felons.

Here is the definition from the statute:

Connecticut General Statutes, Sec. 53a-3. Definitions. Except where different meanings are expressly specified, the following terms have the following meanings when used in this title:

(19) "Firearm" means any sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol, revolver or other weapon, whether loaded or unloaded from which a shot may be discharged;

Here is the statute that prohibits the possession:

Sec. 53a-217. Criminal possession of a firearm or electronic defense weapon: Class D felony. (a) A person is guilty of criminal possession of a firearm or electronic defense weapon when such person possesses a firearm or electronic defense weapon and (1) has been convicted of a felony, (2) has been convicted as delinquent for the commission of a serious juvenile offense, as defined in section 46b-120, (3) knows that such person is subject to (A) a restraining or protective order of a court of this state that has been issued against such person, after notice and an opportunity to be heard has been provided to such person, in a case involving the use, attempted use or threatened use of physical force against another person, or (B) a foreign order of protection, as defined in section 46b-15a, that has been issued against such person in a case involving the use, attempted use or threatened use of physical force against another person, (4) knows that such person is subject to a firearms seizure order issued pursuant to subsection (d) of section 29-38c after notice and an opportunity to be heard has been provided to such person, or (5) is prohibited from shipping, transporting, possessing or receiving a firearm pursuant to 18 USC 922(g)(4). For the purposes of this section, "convicted" means having a judgment of conviction entered by a court of competent jurisdiction.

(b) Criminal possession of a firearm or electronic defense weapon is a class D felony, for which two years of the sentence imposed may not be suspended or reduced by the court.

I once bought some BP guns by mail from a private out of state individual who asked me to sign a statement that there weren't any state laws prohibiting me from buying them.
And I bought a BP gun from Illinois that required being sent to an FFL because of Illinois state law.
 
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(19) "Firearm" means any sawed-off shotgun, machine gun, rifle, shotgun, pistol, revolver or other weapon, whether loaded or unloaded from which a shot may be discharged;

Stay out of the Supersoaker aisle at Toys R us!
 
I thought that it was illegal to buy or posess a black powder gun in New Jersey with out a posession license ? I remember a couple famous cases of legitimate citizens arrested by Troopers in vehicle stops for muzzle loaders with no makings ! But how would a 1970 NJ escapee who bought a 20 mm Lahti in New Brunswick at 18 in 1963 know ?
 
I was in Lugoff SC today and walked into a pawn/gun shop and asked if they had any blackpowder guns and the man behind the counter told me that they didn't stock them because they wouldn't sell. He then added that not stocking them cut down on arguments. When I asked about that, he told me that the shop had a rule to do background checks on all blackpowder gun purchases and that people tended to argue about that policy. I let him know, in a diplomatic manner, that I didn't blame them and then thought to myself "no wonder you can't sell them"!!!

It's interesting how some business owners seem to believe that they can reserve the right to impose unreasonable demands on their customers, but that those customers should not take exception to those demands and walk away.
Ultimately such businesses either fail or linger on in mediocrity and low profits.
Sort of the big fish in a small pond mentality.
But, since it's a pawn shop, he makes his money buying guns for next to nothing.
I never bother with them. The last pawn shop gun I looked at was a used 10-22 in basic good condition.
They wanted about 20% more than the retail price for a new rifle.
Sure.......
 
There is a local pawnshop here that does the background checks for Black Powder, and even air guns and spring operated BB guns.
If it fires a projectile (including a paint ball) out of a barrel, they do a background check. I've never seen a blowgun in there, but I would not be surprised if they require a background check for those, as well.
They know the State (Idaho) Federal Regulations and Laws do not require them to. However, they are a "National" or at least a "Regional" pawnshop chain, based out of Washington State, which is exceptionally anti-Second Amendment/Anti-Gun.
I've only bought a couple older Buck, and a Western L66 knives there. I doubt I'll buy from them again.
 
Yes, it's the same place. We must be neighbors, sort of. I live about 25 miles north of Camden. Have you seen the gun collection at the Camden Archives and Museum?
Not sure how I missed your question. I live in the Florence area, but I have not seen the collection in Camden. Heard about it and was told one time it had been closed.
 
I had something similar happen to me about ten years ago; saw an 1860, haggled a bit, settled on a price, and said Done. Then the guy said NCIS... I said OK, if that’s your policy I have nothing to hide. Passed the check and the guy went and wrote up a slip and came back for payment. Line 2 was 20$ for background check... No Joy! I said eat it or no deal.

The proprietor wouldn’t budge, despite knowing the whole charade was unnecessary... and I said i’d walk... to which he said he’d spent half an hour on this already. I said Tough Situation, I could have been gone 25 minutes ago and you’d have been paid!

Long story short, that shop went under and some people have no business sense...
I go in a lot of Gun and Pawn shops (in my never ending hunt for gun bargains) and I'm seeing more and more that charge a customer if the background check is a denial. They are actually asking customers to pay for the gun, running a check and if it is denied, they give the money back less the service charge that I've seen from $25-40. When I first saw this policy in a store, I was shocked thinking that a customer would walk in expecting to buy a firearm and wind up walking out spending money and getting nothing. But as I've found out by working in my buddy's shop as well as helping him a gun shows, 99% of the turn downs are not surprised at all. They just keep trying hoping one day they will slip through I guess. Its just like someone applying for credit. When refused, they aren't surprised at all. The policy now at almost all gun shows I attend is if a customer is flat turned down by a background check, they are asked to leave the show and if they refuse, they are escorted out by security.
 
Not sure how I missed your question. I live in the Florence area, but I have not seen the collection in Camden. Heard about it and was told one time it had been closed.
I saw the collection a few years ago and haven't been back to the museum since so I didn't know that the display had been closed. I'll go by the museum when I get a chance just to check it out. I live in the Kershaw area not too far from Haile Gold Mine.
 
Had relatives that lived in the Westville area. Near the rock quarry and the big lumber mill on 601. Bout died out now
 
It's interesting that I found this thread. I just bought a BP rifle from an online auction in Arizona. I called them with the shipping information and they requested my FFL dealers information. They said it was required and I disagreed. I called a local FFL that has transferred for me in the past and they said they also require it. His excuse was that the ATF was cracking down. I looked up the law and from what I saw it hasn't changed, no background check required.
I called back the place I purchased it from and they agreed to ship to my house.
 
It's interesting that I found this thread. I just bought a BP rifle from an online auction in Arizona. I called them with the shipping information and they requested my FFL dealers information. They said it was required and I disagreed. I called a local FFL that has transferred for me in the past and they said they also require it. His excuse was that the ATF was cracking down. I looked up the law and from what I saw it hasn't changed, no background check required.
I called back the place I purchased it from and they agreed to ship to my house.
“The ATF was cracking down...” on items that the agency doesn’t even acknowledge to be firearms? What’s next they’re announcing a surprise raid on Chicago Cutlery’s operations? What a crock of BS!
 
I had the following experience with a local pawn shop a few years back here in Cincinnati:
I was looking at several BP revolvers that they had and chose a tarnished but otherwise well preserved Spiller and Burr replica.
After talking the salesman down from $150 to $100 and taking it to the checkout, they said they had to run a background check.
I was getting a good deal and did not want to mess it up by complaining too much but I asked why since BP guns were classified as antiques not firearms.
The salesman checked with the owner who said that it was taken in and recorded on his books as a firearm and he did not want to mess with the paperwork of taking it off.
The background check was the simplest for him and so that is what happened and I took the gun home and applied some Brasso.
It now looks like it was just put in a box in Italy.
I think that the best way to stop this in states that have not passed laws calling them firearms is to educate shop personnel whenever we get the chance.
 
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