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  1. crimsontidertr

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    I have a baikal izh-94 in 12 guage shotgun over 308 rifle and would like to know which scope and mount system would work best for walk hunting for deer.I think I would like a shotgun scope for the eye relief in case I get a jump shot with the shotgun loaded with buckshot,but I am not sure it would be the best choice since I had one on it ,a simmons,and it worked well for a short while.I had it zeroed at 200 yards with the 308 and it shot an amazing under 2 inch group.After sighting in and hunting for the season it stopped holding zero.If I put a scout scope on it would it hold up to the shotgun recoil?In the mount department I used a cheap mount in my last set up but I have seen a base and ring set for the baikal costing over $150.00.It said for thier double rifle with a 12 milimeter basemount that is built on the rifle and I saw one for around $25.00 that is for an 11 milimeter basemount that I was told would work fine,it is aluminum.If anyone knows a scope that would work for under $300.00 I would appreciate it.
     
  2. Naybor

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    Due to the heavy recoil, make sure you get one rated for shotguns, with low magnification. 1.5 x 4 for a zoom scope would be good.

    Midrange example:

    http://www.basspro.com/Bushnell-Trophy-XLT-Shotgun-Scopes/product/10207979/56450

    Really, you can buy a Tasco for around $50 or upper end where the sky's the limit.

    I used the Bushnell example cause I have one and it's worked fine over the years. Make sure the mount is heavy duty and will fit your scope.

    BTW, I too have a Baikal, a IZH-43 Double barrel 12 ga Coach Shotgun, that I love to shoot when I go to my daughters. Surprisingly, being a cheaper shotgun, is very well made IMHO.
     
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  3. crimsontidertr

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    Thank you for your reply.What model is your bushnell if it's ok for me to ask?
     
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    You know, I don't remember the model number. It's in storage at my daughters. (Shotgun model) I'm 68 and in senior housing with all my guns in my son-in-laws safe. Not enough room here, besides this is government housing and guns not allowed here. (Darn, drat, etc.)

    Anyhow, I've had three or four Bushnells in the past and had absolutely no problems with them. I can't say that about Tasco or Simmons. I recommended the zoom so you could use the 1.5 magnification for shotgun and deer and 4 power for the .308 and longer distances. I think that is available.

    The model I have is a fixed 1.5 power scope.
     
  5. crimsontidertr

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    That is a good idea on the variable power.I bought a fixed power redfield for my first scope after reading about variables breaking more probably due ,partly anyway, to more moving parts.I was young and money was tight so I wanted a scope that was least likely to go bad.I used that redfield on a model 670a winchester 30-06 for 24 years and it still did ok but I had wiped it too many times improperly and the glass got so scratched that my view was blurry.But with todays scope replacement polocies I beleive the variable makes perfect sense.It saddened me to read that you weren't allowed to have your firearms with you to wipe down and admire from time to time and certainly to protect yourself.I hope you get a chance to go to a gun club or hunting club sometimes.Thanks again.
     
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    Oh those are nice guns, and the most absurd over / unders ever made (though they have a .30-06 version). Most over / unders are severely deficient in either the rifle or the shotgun. It's almost unheard of to have a good rifle caliber with a shotgun over .410. These are the only ones to do full-house with both. They're also very nice-looking.
     
  7. crimsontidertr

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    Thanks.It is nice looking with dark wood and nice checkering and I put a nice dark leather cheek piece on it.But I am alarmed about what you said about other combo guns lacking since I like the baikal so much I bought a savage 223 over 12 guage.I haven't tried it yet but it came with a picaninny scope base on it and I was thinking I would varmit hunt with it so I am not worried about getting cut by the scope if I get a jump shot with the shotgun because I will probably be shooting #2 shot in the shotgun.
     
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    On a different note I was wondering about getting a ruger mark 22-45 or mark III.With all the talk about break down and cleaning the mark III should I just get a mark I or 22-45 or mark III.The draw back to a mark I is that I think I want a scope on what ever I get.
     
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    The Mark I is no more difficult to work on than the Mark II or Mark III. They're all essentially the same gun. Everything in the upper tube is identical and interchangeable, as is the mainspring housing (I just refurbished my father's Mark I with Mark III parts). People are just scared because of the mainspring housing. It can be rather difficult to get back in the first couple of times you do it, until you learn the trick is to ensure the gun is barrel-up around a 45-degree angle to get the hammer leg into the recess on the housing.
     
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    How many rounds need to be shot before a major cleaning is normally needed?I think as long as the gun is shooting problem free that a good standard cleaning might be enough.Especially since I lose springs so easliy.:uhoh:
     
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    What Warden Wolf said. I took my Mark III apart for cleaning two or three months and a thousand rounds after I got it and it wasn't dirty at all. Now, I just use a bore snake once in a while and drip some 3 in one or Singer Sewing Machine oil in the openings now and then. Seems to work and it always goes "BANG" on command. Mine is the stainless steel standard model ~ I've polished it enough with car wax it now looks like chrome. Good therapy while watching TV.

    BTW, The Mark III does eject out and up, so it shouldn't be too hard to mount a scope. Again, get a lower powered regular scope or red dot scope.
     
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    The Ruger Mark pistols rarely need field stripping for cleaning. They're very clean guns. A boresnake will suffice for most work. Run it up through the magwell so you get the feed ramp as well, and you should be good for countless rounds. Just put a little Breakfree in the tube every now and then and the bolt will self-lubricate.
     
  14. crimsontidertr

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    Thanks for sharing.I love the looks of your setup.I am looking forward to enjoying lots of plinking and also a bit of bearing down for accuracy with a nice 22 in the off season.
     
  15. YFM700

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    I have one of these IZH 94 12ga/30-06 combos. It's truly a strange gun... but a blast to shoot and a great deer hunter here in Maine where you can be in a stand one minute, and climbing through the sticks another. The only problem I see is the open sights REALLY suck. Has anyone upgraded them to a fiber-optic style? I have had a hard time finding any info on better open sights for these.
     
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