Ban on buckshot reversed (duplicate threads merged)

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I can't decide if this mis-statement is funny or just sad. I'm leaning toward the latter. At least she didn't say it was from a fully-automatic assault shotgun.

The text pasted below is from today's Washington Post, with emphasis added: Hunting quail with buckshot (registration required: email address and zipcode)

Board May Reverse Ban on Buckshot
NRA Has Lobbied to Restore Options

By Nikita Stewart
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 25, 2006; Page B02

The Prince William Board of County Supervisors is expected to repeal today its week-old decision to ban buckshot in hunting and request more study of the issue after lobbying by the Fairfax-based National Rifle Association.

Some supervisors said yesterday that they might have acted too hastily when they voted 6 to 2 on April 18 to prohibit buckshot, a shotgun shell that holds about nine pellets.

Buckshot recently drew national attention when Vice President Cheney accidentally sprayed a Texas friend with the ammunition during a hunting trip.
 
The statement is correct. The press did incorrectly report that the VP was using buckshot and some attention was drawn to the fact that they did not know what they were talking about.
 
Yeah, it's almost funny(no it's not) how the statement is more true than intended.

It caused media attention to be drawn, and incorrectly as a result of of mis-information... misinformation which also exists in the statement it's self.
 
Yeah misinformation happens in posts too:

Here is the actual story whihc has nothing to do with Dick Chenney or even with politics it has to do with hunting safely in a populated area and making humane kills of Deer:

Board May Reverse Ban on Buckshot
NRA Has Lobbied to Restore Options

By Nikita Stewart
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 25, 2006; Page B02

The Prince William Board of County Supervisors is expected to repeal today its week-old decision to ban buckshot in hunting and request more study of the issue after lobbying by the Fairfax-based National Rifle Association.

Some supervisors said yesterday that they might have acted too hastily when they voted 6 to 2 on April 18 to prohibit buckshot, a shotgun shell that holds about nine pellets.


Buckshot recently drew national attention when Vice President Cheney accidentally sprayed a Texas friend with the ammunition during a hunting trip.

The supervisors approved the ban and simultaneously lifted a prohibition on slugs after reviewing a staff report that said the single-bullet ammunition, which travels faster and requires more precise aim, is more humane when hunting animals, especially deer, because the animals suffer less.

The change was to go into effect this hunting season. Deer, quail and pheasant are popular game in the 348-square-mile county, especially in western Prince William and the Quantico area. Hunting is generally restricted in eastern Prince William, which is more densely populated.

The NRA objected to the board's action and alerted its members through the organization's Web site, listing the supervisors' e-mail addresses the day of the vote. Board members received e-mails that day and have continued to receive criticism since.

"We're opposed to any measure that limits options available to hunters," said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman. "There is no proof that one item is better than the other or more safe than the other. . . . It is an individual preference."

Some hunters and firearms experts interviewed yesterday explained that using buckshot requires closer range but can cause an animal to suffer because of the spraying of the ammunition. Slugs, which can be shot from 150 yards, can make for a cleaner kill but can be dangerous because of their higher velocity and probability of kill, they said.

The choice of ammunition, a matter of longtime debate among hunters, is dictated by local laws, forcing hunters to change ammunition from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

"It's ongoing. It will never end," Jason Bourland, who works in sales at the Shooter's Paradise store in Woodbridge, said of the debate over ammunition.

Fairfax County allows only buckshot. Quantico Marine Base allows only slugs. Loudoun County permits both buckshot and slugs. And, before last Tuesday's vote, Prince William allowed only buckshot.

Bourland said some communities, such as Fairfax, have limited space and view buckshot, which doesn't travel as far, as safer to the general public. "The main reason I believe the suburban areas go with buckshot is there's less of a chance of it going past the target and causing damage, collateral damage," said Bourland, adding that he prefers slugs.

Such issues were discussed only briefly last week when the supervisors voted, although the board inserted language into the ordinance to allow the use of buckshot to protect homes, crops and livestock.

Supervisor Martin E. Nohe (R-Coles) said he will ask the board to reconsider the vote and approve further review. Nohe said he had received about 50 e-mails and calls on the issue in the past week.


Outrage was missing April 18. No one attended a public hearing held before the vote.

The supervisors apparently based their decision in part on a staff report that erroneously said the ammunition change had been requested by the state Department of Game and Inland Fisheries.

Capt. Timothy Rudy, a police liaison to the county weapons control panel, said he talked about a year and a half ago with the regional state game warden's office, which he said recommended the change. "I took for granted that there was support on the lower level [of the state department]. There was not support at the higher level," he said. "I dropped the ball on that."

Supervisor John D. Jenkins (D-Neabsco) said it still makes sense to him to ban buckshot because Quantico does and many hunters find themselves crossing into the county when tracking deer outside the military base.

"I've carried a rifle, a shotgun and a pistol since I was 9 years old," Jenkins said. "That's 58 years. I know something about hunting." Killing a deer with a single shot vs. wounding it with buckshot seems more humane, he said.

He also said he did not like the NRA's eleventh-hour lobbying. "It seems like, after the fact, the NRA decided to oppose this," Jenkins said.
 
Yeah misinformation happens in posts too:

Ummm.... :confused:

I thought that the subject line and the comments I put in front of the quoted text were pretty clear - I'm commenting on reporter's mis-statements in the article. Nothing more. I made an accurate quote a provided a link to the complete article. How is that considered "misinformation"? I don't think anyone is trying to make this about politics.
 
Beyond the media inaccuracy I am puzzled by the issue in the report: So rather than light buckshot in the woods the Prince William Board of County Supervisors wants hunters to use slugs? How much sense does that make?

Why slugs and not buckshot, when one (slugs) certainly travels farther in a straight line than the other (buckshot) if that is what they are worried about in populated areas?

Of course, this is Prince William County and not many there have a clue....
 
Why slugs and not buckshot, when one (slugs) certainly travels farther in a straight line than the other (buckshot) if that is what they are worried about in populated areas?
They are worried about the buchshot merely wounding a deer and it suffering unnecessarily.
 
FINALLY I get to use my graphic!

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Left is birdshot, what Cheney shot at the quail
(oops there's lawyer do I have the stamp for that on my license?)
Right is buckshot, what is used to hunt big game
(which is what CNN demostrated in their coverage of the incident.)
 

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Board May Reverse Ban on Buckshot

Board May Reverse Ban on Buckshot
NRA Has Lobbied to Restore Options

By Nikita Stewart
Washington Post Staff Writer
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/24/AR2006042401607_pf.html



The Prince William Board of County Supervisors is expected to repeal today its week-old decision to ban buckshot in hunting and request more study of the issue after lobbying by the Fairfax-based National Rifle Association.

Some supervisors said yesterday that they might have acted too hastily when they voted 6 to 2 on April 18 to prohibit buckshot, a shotgun shell that holds about nine pellets.

Buckshot recently drew national attention when Vice President Cheney accidentally sprayed a Texas friend with the ammunition during a hunting trip.

The supervisors approved the ban and simultaneously lifted a prohibition on slugs after reviewing a staff report that said the single-bullet ammunition, which travels faster and requires more precise aim, is more humane when hunting animals, especially deer, because the animals suffer less.

The change was to go into effect this hunting season. Deer, quail and pheasant are popular game in the 348-square-mile county, especially in western Prince William and the Quantico area. Hunting is generally restricted in eastern Prince William, which is more densely populated.

The NRA objected to the board's action and alerted its members through the organization's Web site, listing the supervisors' e-mail addresses the day of the vote. Board members received e-mails that day and have continued to receive criticism since.

"We're opposed to any measure that limits options available to hunters," said Andrew Arulanandam, an NRA spokesman. "There is no proof that one item is better than the other or more safe than the other. . . . It is an individual preference."

Some hunters and firearms experts interviewed yesterday explained that using buckshot requires closer range but can cause an animal to suffer because of the spraying of the ammunition. Slugs, which can be shot from 150 yards, can make for a cleaner kill but can be dangerous because of their higher velocity and probability of kill, they said.

The choice of ammunition, a matter of longtime debate among hunters, is dictated by local laws, forcing hunters to change ammunition from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

"It's ongoing. It will never end," Jason Bourland, who works in sales at the Shooter's Paradise store in Woodbridge, said of the debate over ammunition.

Fairfax County allows only buckshot. Quantico Marine Base allows only slugs. Loudoun County permits both buckshot and slugs. And, before last Tuesday's vote, Prince William allowed only buckshot.

Bourland said some communities, such as Fairfax, have limited space and view buckshot, which doesn't travel as far, as safer to the general public. "The main reason I believe the suburban areas go with buckshot is there's less of a chance of it going past the target and causing damage, collateral damage," said Bourland, adding that he prefers slugs.

Such issues were discussed only briefly last week when the supervisors voted, although the board inserted language into the ordinance to allow the use of buckshot to protect homes, crops and livestock.

Supervisor Martin E. Nohe (R-Coles) said he will ask the board to reconsider the vote and approve further review. Nohe said he had received about 50 e-mails and calls on the issue in the past week.

Outrage was missing April 18. No one attended a public hearing held before the vote.

The supervisors apparently based their decision in part on a staff report that erroneously said the ammunition change had been requested by the state Department of Game and Inland Fisheries.

Capt. Timothy Rudy, a police liaison to the county weapons control panel, said he talked about a year and a half ago with the regional state game warden's office, which he said recommended the change. "I took for granted that there was support on the lower level [of the state department]. There was not support at the higher level," he said. "I dropped the ball on that."

Supervisor John D. Jenkins (D-Neabsco) said it still makes sense to him to ban buckshot because Quantico does and many hunters find themselves crossing into the county when tracking deer outside the military base.

"I've carried a rifle, a shotgun and a pistol since I was 9 years old," Jenkins said. "That's 58 years. I know something about hunting." Killing a deer with a single shot vs. wounding it with buckshot seems more humane, he said.

He also said he did not like the NRA's eleventh-hour lobbying. "It seems like, after the fact, the NRA decided to oppose this," Jenkins said.
 
Funny, I didn't know that uh...bird shot and buckshot were the same size. I always thought there was a difference between 00 and 6 or 8.

Here's a novel idea: let the people hunt with whatever they want to use! Oh, silly me--that would involve common sense and lack of government involvement.
 
Buckshot recently drew national attention when Vice President Cheney accidentally sprayed a Texas friend with the ammunition during a hunting trip.

Goebbels would rate that lie a C: it's just not big enough to count for much, although it is creative in a limited way.
 
If Coyote Brown is the New Black...

Buckshot is the new Assault Weapon.

Simply people not knowing enough about their subject matter. Everyone who is not into guns simply knows a shotgun fires 'buckshot'. They are not aware of the different types of shot available. Just like the average person wouldn't know which cartridge to put in which gun. A bullet is a bullet to them.

It's a shame though that so called 'journalists' let that type of incorrect knowledge pass for a story though. Disgusting, actually. :(
 
Had Cheneys gun been loaded with "buck shot" the other fellow would no longer be with us.

Shot shell manufacturers clearly distinguish the two. A #4 "bird shot" is simply identified as #4 while a #4 Buck is identified as a #4 Buck and there is a tremendous difference in the size of the two.

I don;t know what measure they use to identify shot size but I am sure that there is one.
 
Update 04/26 from VCDL:
Andrew Amerine did some more digging for information on Wednesday's
meeting on the buckshot issue in Prince William.
Although the meeting will be in the Board of Supervisors' room, the
meeting is not a Board of Supervisors meeting, but it is a meeting of
the Weapons Control Board. That is just as important as this Board's
recommendation to the BoS will be given considerable sway.

I really don't like the sound of Weapons Control Board.:scrutiny:

TC
 
i am not going to lie i am a red neck and buck shot will humanly kill a deer.
(dont ask how i know) as for the buckshot wehn bird hunting i think it has been beaten to death and we all know that there are retards in politcal offies everywhere
 
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