bear hunting gone wrong.

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rozziboy18

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hey guys,
my names brandon ogle, i work for a guide service here in the smokies (rocky top outfitters). we offer guided hunting and fishing trips for the visiting population through out the year, and have a lot of repeats for our bear hunts in the fall. this whole ordeal happened yesterday morning around 7:04 am and i will do my best to tell this experiance as clearly as posible.

its bear season here in the smokies again, the temp is hitting between 30-51 degrease with a fast aproching front from the north west. as usual i am incharge of taking our clients in and out of there blinds and repairing the gear for the hunting day they face. i have done this many times in the past, and i always take the usual list of gear with me up the mountain. rope, flashlight, pepermint oil, blaze orange, assortment of knifes,compass, 1st aid,water, and my 1911 or as i call it bear mase!

i had two clients yesterday morning darrell and greg and we met at 6:05 am at the rally point. they signed there wavers, got all there gear in order and we set off for gatlinburg at 6:15 am. greg would be hunting closest in on the "frontside" and darrell 3/4 of a mile back on the "backside", all of it across steep slick bear country type terrain. we arived at our final destination at 6:25 and started up the mountain, guns and flash lights in hand. we quickly came to gregs blind aprox 250 yards up the mountain, he and i shook hands and as always with my clients i said "good luck, keep your head on a swivel".

darrell and i continued onward to his blind, up another 400 yards and around 2 long draws with several down trees on the trail. we reached the summit around 6:36 and took a short breather. darrell and i were talking about his t/c 375 h&h mag and he explained to me that his 270 barrel had takin a har lick on the trip over. he told me that he dident trust it any more so now he had to hunt with what he called his "elephant gun".

we continued our journey onward, over logs and back around long draws with near vertical cliffs on our left with steep bankes to our right. we reached his blind around 6:45 ish and i went into the blind to get every thing set up for his first day in the woods. 6:48 i was on my way out of the woods
moving slow and quiet as to not disturb any near by game. i came to the section of trail affectionately dubed the "nut scruber".

a setion of the trail about 200 yards from darrells blind with two huge downed trees that makes it hard going for a 5'08 male like myself. i finished negotiating the last of the trees and took a second to dust myself off and get my bearing on the trail.i was looking down and out of my peripheral vision i saw movement dead ahead, close at that. i looked up and found that i had walked up on a 275 pound male black bear, standing 30 yards away looking right at me.

i shined my flash light with a red filter at him thinking that hes would move on but no such luck. i removed the red filter and gave him all 200 lumins right to the eyes. no movement, he stared right into the light with green/yellow reflective eyes and took a step forward towards me. at this point i was getting a little nerved and i tryed to make my self larger and he stoped again. at this point i had my kimber drawn with a bead on his head just incase he desided to charge at me.

i remember thinking to myself that if this 45 dosent stop him i might have to take my own life. a black bear wont kill you and eat you, they eat your guts out with you still alive most of the time. knowing now that he wasent the least bit afraid of me i begain my slow steady retreat. over the logs backwards falling on my rear and beating myself have to death, i made my way to the other side of the dead falls. i made eye contact with him, now standing in the same spot i had been seconds before.

he wasent showing aggression but more of curiosity. i kept my light in his eyes as i backed up slowly, so far that he was obsured from veiw. i then truned and ran as fast as i could the 175 yards or so back to my clients blind, the whole time expecting to trun and see him right on me. i reached darells blind, pail faced, out of breath, exclaiming "theres a bear in the trail about 175 yards up the trail. want to go after it?". he replied with "hell yeah i do" and climbed out of his blind.

by the time he reached my side the bear was running down the path i had take back to the blind. darrell took a knee and i shined the light and the bear came to a dead stop about 50 yards up the trail from us. i turned the light back off and darrell squeed the trigger and BOOOOM! i had for got that the t/c in 375 h&h had a muzzle break, and i was right beside him when he shot.
the 260 nosler bullet impaced just above the bears right eye, pulverizing the skull.

the large male droped in his tracks and death twiched off the slide of the steep bank, rolling for 160 yards to the bottom of the hill. i comened darrell on a great shot, as he was making jokes about me being the best "bait" he had ever used. the faital shot was fired at 7:04 if that telles you how fast it all happened. we are cracking jokes about it now, but it could have ben a bad day on the mountain.

i was smack dab in a ethical delima. do i shoot the bear or do i try and retreive my client so he can take the the bear. in the end i set some ground rules that would cause me to shoot. if he made a aggressive movement in my direction, or if when i was running and i saw him gaining ground. then i would have. but the day ended with a smiling face on both sides and a story i will tell my clients in the future. i am also sure that darrell will have aheck of a story about his first black bear!

sorry for the bad quality. this picture was taken with my bosses cell phone.
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left to right darrell , my self


captcurt reminded me to mention this

the bear was taken legaly. our local game warden even stoped by to see the kill and i told him forbatum what i posted.
 
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Brandon,

Thanks for sharing, your write up made me feel like I was there.

So...do you guide ducks. I mean, could you get some canvasbacks or greenheads to chase you to my blind ? ;)

Seriously though, I'm glad it turned out for everyone...you, the client, and the bear...yes the bear hit with one ethical shot.

L.W.
 
as soon as i learn to fly ;). thanks, im realy trying to improve my grammer. i agree with the one shot one kill program and preach it to our clients. i dont believe in causing undo suffering to the game that we are hunting. me and the guys at rocky top try our best to be as ethical as possible, thats why we only use scent "pepermint extract" and only hunt fair chase animals, no dogs. but i digress


seriously, we do have guided duck hunts
 
But was it Legal?

I am glad that it turned out alright but I was wondering, what are the legalities of shooting a bear while using a light? You may have set yourself up for a bout with the local authorties. In some areas you need to let the bear chew on you a little before you can claim self-defence.
 
it was legal shooting time when the bear was taken. i only used the light to stop him from charging, the local game warden was called to report the kill and the bear acting so strange and he was informed of all the details,including the light.in tn it is ilegal to take game at night and all legal shooting times must be absurbed. ie 30 min before sunrise and 30 min after sunset. yesterday sunrise was at 7:22 meaning the earliest that you could be activly hunting was 6:52. but yes it was legal. the light was truned off before he even shouldered the rifle. the game warden's words were "sounds like a problem bear. was the flash light on when he was looking though the scope?" answer: no
 
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oh yeah almost forgot,
most of the park rangers up here will not let you defend yourself until your about half way out the bears butthole.:what:
 
Heck of a round...Thompson Contender 375 H&H :uhoh: I would be carrying something better than the Kimber:confused: Be my DE in 50AE or 440 Corbon:)
Using the light like you did was quick thinking imho...Good show:)

Regards
 
Harley Quinn
cant agree more! im thinking of carrying the kimber strickly fro humans for now and resorting to the 357 blackhawk until i can get the extra cash for either a 44 mag or ruger 480.

kodiak,
normaly i wouldent run from a bear. with black bear you have to stand your ground and try to over intimidate them. yesterday morning wasent the case, i dident want to have to shoot the bear or shoot at all. it would have ben in distaste of my clients , so i explored my options and though if i could far enough away, maybe i could get to the blind quick enough. but trust me i ran "spining" half of the way, always checking my 6


guys the old lay down and play dead think dosent work here in the smokies, black bear will just walk up and eat your guts out from your butthole! oh and just read about this on the net. apperently the old timers up this way would drench there shoes in bacon fat before a hunt and back track them selfs! aaaahhh the good ol days
 
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The thing is, bears (black or brown) will instinctively chase anything that runs away. It sets off the prey/predator response - just like a dog, I suppose.

Just back slowly away and they won't follow 99 times out of a 100.

I had a friend who was fishing a few years ago with his wife. She was on the bank, he was in the water fly fishing, and a bear appeared on the bank opposite. In effect, he was square in the middle between his wife and the bear. She screamed and ran towards the car and the bear immediately gave chase, literally running over my friend in the water. Nobody got hurt (though I suspect a pair of waders were no longer wearable), but it sure demonstrates the issue.
The bear had no interest at all in my friend, even though he was much closer, but it ran right through that river to chase his wife who ran away.

Anyway - all's well that ends well! Your client got his bear!
 
KodiakBeer
you are correct! 100% i shouldent have ran and turned myself into purina bear chow, had i of backed off slowly i could have gotten away.

interesting side note about the bear. it turned out to be very old, mollers were growned down smooth, fages were cracking and hardly any fat on him. this might have ben his last year on this earth.(n/jk) im starting to think he was coming to the light and when saw it going away, he though he was going to bear hell so he ran(j/k)
 
Rozziboy,
I think that you more or less have it right as far a brown bear vs. black bear attack.
The school of thought is that if attacked by a brown bear they (might) most likely swat you around some, bite some. and leave you alone. Play dead is recomended.
They say that if attacked by a black bear it is because he sees you as food. Do what you must to fight for your life is the recomended course of action.
 
well boys, ive been up and down the mountain three more times in the wee hours of the morning. the whole ordeal has me slightly shaken still but what dosent kill you only makes you stronger and work must go on. i have a client up there right as i am typing this and this morning we were passed off the trail by a 100-175 pounder. he was realy hauling as if his butt was on fire!:eek:. also this has spurd a upgrade in firepower! im now carrying the kimber,mt ruger blackhawk 357, and my ruger 270. cant be too carefull:rolleyes:.
 
i remember thinking to myself that if this 45 dosent stop him i might have to take my own life. a black bear wont kill you and eat you, they eat your guts out with you still alive most of the time.

Well this is a new one on me. I can't say that I am familiar with any data that actually indicate that predatory attacks (those for food) most often involve eating the guts out before the prey is dead, though I am sure it can happen. In fact, a lot of animals don't necessarily kill their prey before eating and the prey dies as a result of being torn apart.

interesting side note about the bear. it turned out to be very old, mollers were growned down smooth, fages were cracking and hardly any fat on him. this might have ben his last year on this earth.(n/jk) im starting to think he was coming to the light and when saw it going away, he though he was going to bear hell so he ran(j/k)

Bears in distress due to age, injury, illness, or general poor health often do not act in stereotypic behavior. It is usually after the fact that such bears are determined to have been in some sort of biological distress. So when you encounter a bear, you likely don't know if the animal is in distress or not, and so you won't know if it will act in "normal" manners or not.

They say that if attacked by a black bear it is because he sees you as food. Do what you must to fight for your life is the recomended course of action.

Fighting for your life may be a good course of action, but it isn't because if a black bear attacks you that it is because it sees you as food. You may be seen as food, or simply some form of threat. Most "attacks" that happen are surprise encounters, encroachment on a sow and cubs, encroachment on a kill, and close proximity conflicts (bears becoming habitualized to humans and humans to bears). Many of the "attacks," therefore, are actually a bear acting in self defense. Actual predation on humans by black bears isn't very common (but quite newsworthy), though bears may keep a dead human as food after a defensive attack.
 
Seems like the pendulum has swung a long ways in the other direction. A .45, a .357, and a .270 for taking people to their hunting blinds. Seems a little much to me.
 
Actual predation on humans by black bears isn't very common (but quite newsworthy), though bears may keep a dead human as food after a defensive attack.

According to most "experts" we humans actually taste pretty terrible to other animals. Do not ask me how they gather this information. Just going by all I have read on the subject. A bear would have to be in a pretty bad way to keep you for food.

Double is dead on correct in his assessment as far as bear "attacks". I guess we tend to use that word a little too easily. They aren't really "attacking" as much as defending. Remember, it is THEIR world we are trespassing into and THEIR habitat that we are ruining.

9 out of 10 times, a Black Bear will get out of there faster than you can think about reacting. But that ONE time out of those 10 is what is always on your mind. They can be extremely dangerous no matter how cute and cuddly you think they may be. I had friends that had them for pets for many years growing up (yes they were generally caged) and there were a couple of them that I frequently wrestled and played with like a big old dog. Yet I still respect them greatly in the wild and know in the back of my mind that they can and will kill you faster than you could blink an eye if it suited them. Running is BAD jue jue in bear country. NEVER run! Back slowly away and keep your eyes from making eye contact. Yes they will react to a stare in the eye as an aggressive stance just like a Gorilla.
 
can't get the "quote thing" to work but when I said that black bear attacks are preditory, as in they are looking for something to eat. I am only stating what's posted as information on almost every trailhead that has a bear problem in Alaska. These are put up by the AK fish and game. I have seen bears aplenty but never been bothered myself.
 
Glad to hear everything worked out ok for you.

also this has spurd a upgrade in firepower! im now carrying the kimber,mt ruger blackhawk 357, and my ruger 270. cant be too carefull.

As I mentioned in your other thread instead of hauling all that iron around it sounds like you need a nice light weight carbine. Something along the lines of a Marlin 1984 .44 mag would be well suited for dense brush terrain.The 1894's are light so pack very well and are quick to the shoulder. The 10 round capacity doesn't hurt either.
 
can't get the "quote thing" to work but when I said that black bear attacks are preditory, as in they are looking for something to eat. I am only stating what's posted as information on almost every trailhead that has a bear problem in Alaska.

Then that information would be wrong or maybe your interpretation of the sign is in error.

For example, this notes that you should fight back against a black bear, but states to play dead with a brown bear unless it starts to eat you. It doesn't say that black bears only attack for food, however.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13959152@N05/2833364588

These signs go up in several areas as warnings, but the information on them is hand written and incident specific.
http://www.wildlifenews.alaska.gov/...news.view_article&issue_id=51&articles_id=300

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1051&bih=633
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0&biw=1051&bih=633

This sign is just a general warning....
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:16,s:0&biw=1051&bih=633

another...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...&ndsp=14&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:42&biw=1051&bih=633

another...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...&ndsp=13&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:97&biw=1051&bih=633

This sign denoting bear activity in the Mendenhall Glacier area certainly says nothing about predation...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...ndsp=14&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:383&biw=1051&bih=633

Nothing at Glacier either...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...ndsp=13&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:448&biw=1051&bih=633

Nothing here...
http://www.superstock.com/stock-photography/Bear+Warning+Sign

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...sCsCA&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0

http://bp1.blogger.com/_TXkhCHqJMr8...xx13XG10Z-U/s1600-h/bear+warning+sign+kat.jpg

Now this sign does say that black bear attacks are rarely defensive, but it is wrong...
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...&ndsp=14&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:58&biw=1051&bih=633

Here is a very good read from one of the leading scholars on the matter of bear attacks, Stephen Herrero...
http://books.google.com/books?id=gF...age&q=reasons why black bears attack?&f=false
 
Regardless of "facts", the majority of hunting stories, since the dawn of time, are exaggerated. This makes the story more entertaining. Well, it was a fun story to read, at any rate.
 
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