Benchmade gun destruction

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Well they made their bed they have to sleep in it I won’t ever buy their stuff because of this and I was saving up to get one of their knives not Now or ever after this stunt


Tarosean,
this is what I mean. Horseman61 is boycotting Benchmade for this, because they offended him by helping to destroy firearms. But he hasn’t boycotted Academy, Glock, Ruger or Hornady (examples) for their roles in making firearms very accessible. I’m not saying he’s wrong or criticizing him. I am pointing out that quite a few people are willing to immediately criticize and boycott over a perceived 2A slight, but we sure as heck don’t boycott or protest the manufacturer, seller or even owner (in some cases) when one of the weapons we want is used to commit a crime. Heck, I reckon there’s people here who want the Vegas shooters arsenal sold off


No
I am not going to BLAME AN Inanimate OBJECT OVER SOMEONES ACTIONS!!!!

The guns don’t shoot themselves their is no reason to destroy a gun that’s like saying a drunk driver killed someone we need to scrap his truck that’s absurd

For the record yes I believe all guns should be sold including those used in Vegas

Guns should be accessible it’s that kind of thinking why the lawyers get rich and we lose our rights bit by bit!
No the manufacturers aren’t at fault you beat somebody to death with a hammer are they going to sue Stanley over the hammer No they are not!
 
I really don't see why so many get upset over this. Some are crying like a little school girl that just peed in her panties.
In LA. if a gun is used in a violent crime, by law it has to be destroyed. If it is used in a capital crime, it will be kept in Evidence till the cows come home. And then there is the court orders to destroy guns. If a gun has a court order to be destroyed, and is not, the person in charge of the Evidence division can be charged with violation of a court order.
Then there are those Departments, like mine, that are so worried about the backlash that could come from selling a gun and have it later used in a crime. They are so worried that someone would come after the dept and the city, it's easier to just destroy them. Per department policy we can’t even keep a screw from one of the guns.
Here are some pics to make you cry.
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BOYCOTT GUNNY!!!

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BOYCOTT GUNNY!!!

(Kidding, of course :))

Apparently over on Facebook they're posting links to Benchmade's political contributions and apparently they donate very heavily two Democratic, anti-gun politicians

This would be more concerning to me than destroying some guns that were going to be destroyed regardless.

Still, I like my Benchmades fine, good steel and I got them on good deals. Carry my Spiderco most though.
 
My criticism of Benchmade is that the Oregon police created that original tweet in a way that looked suspiciously like anti gun propaganda. Maybe that’s not Benchmades fault or intention but after that it would be appropriate for Benchmade to make a statement on their stance on the 2A if they were supporters of it.

If they want to just keep their head down and stay silent after that, that’s fine, I have lots of other companies I can feel good about buying from and not really a big deal to me.

I’m sure I’m not the only person that would prefer a company that isn’t afraid to be vocal about their support of the constitution in a situation like this.

That right there and Benchmade's apparent support of anti-gun politicians.

It's pretty clear now that the facebook gun chop post was meant to appeal to anti gunners.
 
I expect businesses to do their best to grow their business. I'm glad to live in a country where Benchmade is free to make this statement. . . and I hope their business suffers for it.

Freedom and Consequences!
I don't own a Benchmade knife and I bet that most of the people that will boycott them don't own one either.
I know a guy that destroys guns for different police departments. He strips the guns for parts before cutting up the frames. It's an evil job, but someone has to do it.
Now I don't like to see guns destroyed, but I just can't get all worked up over what Benchmade did.
 
I don't own a Benchmade knife and I bet that most of the people that will boycott them don't own one either.
I know a guy that destroys guns for different police departments. He strips the guns for parts before cutting up the frames. It's an evil job, but someone has to do it.
Now I don't like to see guns destroyed, but I just can't get all worked up over what Benchmade did.

Donating 30 thousand dollars to people who don’t want this forum or people like you
To exist doesn’t get you worked up?
 
I really don't see why so many get upset over this. Some are crying like a little school girl that just peed in her panties.

When I looked at the post by the OCPD my first thought is why is the OCPD using a private company to destroy evidence. The Police and Sheriff Departments I have contact with always use government employees and tools to destroy them. For example taking the guns to the city or county workshop and having a employee destroy it by chopping , cutting up, welding it. The population of Oregon City is approximately 31,000 so the City has a shop and tools to destroy guns.

That right there and Benchmade's apparent support of anti-gun politicians.

It's pretty clear now that the facebook gun chop post was meant to appeal to anti gunners.

This reeks of double standards. I will support banning of guns which can be used in self-defense so that I can sell more of my knives that are designed solely for self-defense.
 
I really don't see why so many get upset over this. Some are crying like a little school girl that just peed in her panties.
In LA. if a gun is used in a violent crime, by law it has to be destroyed. If it is used in a capital crime, it will be kept in Evidence till the cows come home. And then there is the court orders to destroy guns. If a gun has a court order to be destroyed, and is not, the person in charge of the Evidence division can be charged with violation of a court order.
Then there are those Departments, like mine, that are so worried about the backlash that could come from selling a gun and have it later used in a crime. They are so worried that someone would come after the dept and the city, it's easier to just destroy them. Per department policy we can’t even keep a screw from one of the guns. . . . .
Gunny has nailed it, which doesn't surprise me at all. Sometimes it's the departments, sometimes it's city councils, sometimes it's city attorney's offices, but somebody, somewhere in the policy-making chain worries about what will happen if a gun is sold by local LE and is later used in a crime. I don't know of anything in AR law that would bar them from being sold (once they no longer have evidentiary value), but if a gun can't be returned to its rightful owner, or if its owner used it in a crime, a court will often order a weapon destroyed.

As for me, I don't have a problem with Benchmade helping the local PD destroy weapons ordered destroyed. I don't own a Benchmade, and may never, but I'm not planning a boycott, either.
 
To me, the issue isn't that the guns were destroyed... that seems to be in accordance with the law.

The issue is the social media messaging, and furthering the message that "destruction of guns [for whatever reason] is an independent good." Right now, the working assumption of most anti-gun people is that if one could simply destroy enough guns, total levels of violence or crime would decrease. I think that's a preposterous notion that doesn't withstand any scrutiny, but it's being accepted without question by the masses. Doing anything that fuels that nonsense is bad.
 
When I looked at the post by the OCPD my first thought is why is the OCPD using a private company to destroy evidence. The Police and Sheriff Departments I have contact with always use government employees and tools to destroy them. For example taking the guns to the city or county workshop and having a employee destroy it by chopping , cutting up, welding it. The population of Oregon City is approximately 31,000 so the City has a shop and tools to destroy guns.



This reeks of double standards. I will support banning of guns which can be used in self-defense so that I can sell more of my knives that are designed solely for self-defense.

Oregon has been moving to the left with all the people fleeing California. Maybe the OCPD thought that buy making this public, they would get more support. o_O Who knows.
I know that after my department cuts up guns, the parts are taken to a steel mill to be melted down. They used to bring complete guns until a worker at the mill tried to steal one.
 
That right there and Benchmade's apparent support of anti-gun politicians.

It's pretty clear now that the facebook gun chop post was meant to appeal to anti gunners.


At least they let everyone know where they stand. How many businesses, you do business with, do you think support views that oppose yours that you don’t know about?

I bet it’s a lot and they would prefer to keep things that would hurt their business private vs shove it in the face of their customers.
 
Most anti-gun people have no clue about guns and gun laws. A good many believe that gun buy back programs are really working. When in fact gun buy back programs are a joke and do little to nothing to get guns off the street. My department picks up over 2000 crime related guns a year off the street. And that never makes the news.
But when a well known knife maker cuts a few up to help a department, it screams publicity stunt.
 
I know a guy that destroys guns for different police departments. He strips the guns for parts before cutting up the frames. It's an evil job, but someone has to do it. (emphasis added)
You've hit it on the head. Benchmade chose, for charity's sake, to participate in an activity that's, in your words, "evil" (I would choose a different word, but share the same sentiment).

My employer engages in activity I find reprehensible (i.e. lobbying for regulation to erect barriers to trade). I work for them, but would not take that position, or crow about that activity. Benchmade apparently believed their customers would be impressed, or at least not mind; I mind.
 
My office does not sell firearms that are used in crimes. If it is stolen we try to reunite them with their rightful owner. Sometimes that is not possible for a number of reasons. So they are destroyed along with the guns used in crimes.

I've been in our gun room, we have some nice stuff. It all gets destroyed. So I guess I am confused, are we mad that the Ogden PD is destroying guns or that Benchmade helped them? Keeping in mind in some states it's illegal for Police or Sheriffs to sell confiscated firearms.

I hear it's not illegal in Oregon (yet), so the police chief and mayor left out that the only reason they're required by policy to destroy turned-in or confiscated firearms is because the police chief and mayor wrote the policy to do so. Even so, I can understand from a business perspective the desire to curry some favor with the local PD and mayor, and I don't really blame Benchmade for doing this.

The bigger discovery here is that Les De Asis has been donating exclusively to Democrats for the past nine years.

I can sort of understand that, because in Oregon, probably all of his local politicians are Democrats, and businesses make donations to their local incumbent politicians for reasons that often have little or nothing to do with their policy positions and more to do with the fact that they're local incumbent politicians.

But it's not a good look.

That right there and Benchmade's apparent support of anti-gun politicians.

It's pretty clear now that the facebook gun chop post was meant to appeal to anti gunners.

If that's the case, then I bet Benchmade is just thrilled for the shout-out. Clear case of the constituency of the local PD and city leadership being different from Benchmade's customer base.

The big thing I think businesses should think about when they make decisions like this is... what will the people who actually buy my widgets do?
 
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Benchmade's main error was in not realizing that the gun and knife businesses have a lot of overlap and that gunowners get very exercised over any slight.
Springfield took a hit over support of politicians who voted the wrong way; Ruger took a hit over the founder's endorsement of restrictions on magazine capacity.

Destruction of "crime guns" is hypocritical.
Do they think the gun has learned bad habits by being used illegally?
Maybe we should destroy the criminals.
 
This is turning out to be a very interesting topic. Upon doing a little research it turns out the Benchmade owner(s) heavily support Democrats.

From the below link Benchmade has contributed $36,703 since 2010 and spent $1,120,000 for lobbying since 2005.

They have made zero, none, nada contributions to Republicans since 2012.

Maybe the owners figure that contributing to Democrats is just a necessary cost to stay in business. (Like the Godfather making you an offer you can't refuse).

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/su...v9i9BDOKq0fyWJBAA18cWzw3q86pTOdBuV1OyyiB7zty8

p.s. My favorite comment on their Facebook website is they are "committing suicide by cop."
 
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There are two variables in a shooting; a gun and a human.

The gun is invariable. It will sit on a table and turn to a pile of rust before it harms someone of it's own volition. A gun has no intent, good or evil. it is a tool, and can be put to many uses, both good and evil. Even the same use may be either good or evil or morally indifferent, specifically shooting a person. Was Dick Cheney acting with evil intent when he accidentally shot a hunting partner? Probably not. The Vegas shooter? Undoubtedly evil intent. This incident? https://foac-pac.org/Alabama-Self-d...e-Incident-Leaves-One-Dead/Defense-Story/2090
Sounds like it, though lacking data.

The gun might be a variable in the sense that if the Vegas shooter had a single shot rifle (and a one eyed dog), he would have caused less carnage, but otherwise, it is a tool; no more, no less.

As for Benchmade, there are enough other reasons for me not to buy them, this stunt isn't a factor.
 
This is turning out to be a very interesting topic. Upon doing a little research it turns out the Benchmade owner(s) heavily support Democrats.

From the below link Benchmade has contributed $36,703 since 2010 and spent $1,120,000 for lobbying since 2005.

They have made zero, none, nada contributions to Republicans since 2012.

Maybe the owners figure that contributing to Democrats is just a necessary cost to stay in business.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/su...v9i9BDOKq0fyWJBAA18cWzw3q86pTOdBuV1OyyiB7zty8


This to me is a far bigger deal than letting the OCPD use their facilities to chop up guns. I own a couple Benchmades and a Pacific Cutlery Balisong (predecessor to Benchmade). I have a Griptilian in my pocket right now. I will not be spending any more money with Benchmade.
 
The Sgt that has to cut up the guns is a friend of mine. He is not a big gun guy, but he hates having to have to cut them up. He told me that sometimes he just wants to cry, like when he had to cut up a Python.
I think this is a key difference.

Your guys are not celebrating the destruction. Not posting about it for gain.
Just doing the job
 
I've bought at least 15 guns from sheriff's sales, spending several thousand dollars that went back to their communities instead of into a trash can.

I understand the legal issues that Gunny talks about...and I grudgingly agree with them. My problem (as some others have pointed out) is that they seemed HAPPY to be doing it.

I know it breaks my heart (and I'm sure others too) when you see a gorgeous and/or somewhat rare item sticking out of a gun turn-in picture in the paper.
 
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I understand why some guns might have to be destroyed. For a company that caters to sportsmen and gun owners to be involved in this in any way is beyond boneheaded. They are quite properly being subjected to howls of protest, and boycotts.

People like The LIberal don't seem to understand that the whole concept of gun ownership is being besieged, as at no other time in our history. Therefore, these attacks must be met with a wall of solidarity. Benchmade breached that wall of solidarity, and it's paying the consequences.
 
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