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Years ago, a local welding supply company offered to cut up guns. I knew the guy who did the torch work and was interviewed by the news and he was remarkably anti 2A, in spite of professing to be a shooter and hunter. I ceased doing business with them until recently, when new management said they would never, ever do that. When I shop there now, we talk guns, latest range trips, newest tactical toys acquired, etc. It's now my favorite outlet for my welding needs.
 
Madcap_Magician said:
This is not accurate, Benchmade has in fact made a statement. It's not a good statement, but they did in fact release a statement. It's available on their social media platforms and Bladeforums, which are hard to link here.
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Thank you for correcting me. I apologize, I had not seen any response from them at the time of my posting.
 
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Not really concerned about a company giving to either side of the political spectrum. I draw the line on is that company actively working to curtail my rights, not just 2a.

In this country half is for one thing and half for the other. By making a company lean one way or the other you risk alienating half your customer base.
 
Rather a timely episode in my state, where the state legislature has made a project of prohibiting the State Patrol from selling seized firearms, and several larger LE agencies have decided on their own to destroy seized firearms, rather than selling 'em ... based on the stated fear that one of the guns they might sell could be -- the horror! -- used in a mass shooting. Big political brouhaha when WSP sold off 330 guns to fund new ARs for its troopers. Seattle PD is apparently not going to sell or trade in its used issue guns, gonna destroy 'em -- to keep 'em out of the wrong hands.

But hey, the guns in the OP story were going to be destroyed anyway. And this is common practice all over the country. Does it make economic sense? No, departments could get big bucks or trade-in for gear they need. Is it logical? No, any explanation required? Do sold law enforcement guns often get traced to crimes? No. Is this political? Sometimes.

But can this all be construed as anti-Second Amendment? For those who believe it is, please offer up a better explanation than the hyperbole and threats of boycotts already spewed forth. City PDs have appointed chiefs. They must do what their political masters tell them. This should not come as a surprise to anyone here.

How does law enforcement destroying seized firearms infringe your right to keep and bear arms? Would these guns being destroyed otherwise be the only guns available for you to keep and bear?
 
Old Dog said:
Rather a timely episode in my state, where the state legislature has made a project of prohibiting the State Patrol from selling seized firearms, and several larger LE agencies have decided on their own to destroy seized firearms, rather than selling 'em ... based on the stated fear that one of the guns they might sell could be -- the horror! -- used in a mass shooting. Big political brouhaha when WSP sold off 330 guns to fund new ARs for its troopers. Seattle PD is apparently not going to sell or trade in its used issue guns, gonna destroy 'em -- to keep 'em out of the wrong hands.

But hey, the guns in the OP story were going to be destroyed anyway. And this is common practice all over the country. Does it make economic sense? No, departments could get big bucks or trade-in for gear they need. Is it logical? No, any explanation required? Do sold law enforcement guns often get traced to crimes? No. Is this political? Sometimes.

But can this all be construed as anti-Second Amendment? For those who believe it is, please offer up a better explanation than the hyperbole and threats of boycotts already spewed forth. City PDs have appointed chiefs. They must do what their political masters tell them. This should not come as a surprise to anyone here.

How does law enforcement destroying seized firearms infringe your right to keep and bear arms? Would these guns being destroyed otherwise be the only guns available for you to keep and bear?
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Boycotting Benchmade for their now revealed lean to the anti-gun side of politics is the issue. As mentioned in posts 47, 51, and 70.

Boycotting the police? Not so much. It's not like one can really boycott the police.
 
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Was there any mention of recycling? I would really hope that the steel is being reused like the twin tower steel was used in fabricating new ships for the Navy.
 
chicharrones said:
Boycotting Benchmade for their now revealed lean to the anti-gun side of politics is the issue.
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Well then, we've just gotta boycott everything ... Television, motion pictures ... all run by, financed by, acted by notable anti-gun wealthy liberals ... pretty much all processed food that you buy in the grocery stores (take a look at where the owners of these corporations and conglomerates fall on the political spectrum, witness Heinz) ... oh, and professional sports? Do I need to enlighten you on the folks who run our favorite entertainment and its venues? Clothing? Y'all know about companies such as Levi Strauss and your favorite designers, right? Technology! Apple, Microsoft -- you have heard of some the folks who own these entities, right? -- and where their political contributions go ... What brand of computer or smart phone do you surf this forum on? Just what kind of vehicle do you drive? Check out who, what and where the major auto companies choose to support financially.

If we're gonna boycott companies because of their "lean to the anti-gun side of politics" -- let's at least be consistent in our beliefs and values guys. We've simply got to boycott pretty much every consumer product out there. And live in a hand-made log cabin (heated only by wood stove or fireplace) on the side of the creek or mountain, attired only in our hand-woven shirts and buckskin trousers ... Reading the old classics by oil lanterns or hand-made candle-light ... food on the table for the family only what you've grown or killed.
 
Spats McGee said:
Gunny has nailed it, which doesn't surprise me at all. Sometimes it's the departments, sometimes it's city councils, sometimes it's city attorney's offices, but somebody, somewhere in the policy-making chain worries about what will happen if a gun is sold by local LE and is later used in a crime. I don't know of anything in AR law that would bar them from being sold (once they no longer have evidentiary value), but if a gun can't be returned to its rightful owner, or if its owner used it in a crime, a court will often order a weapon destroyed.

As for me, I don't have a problem with Benchmade helping the local PD destroy weapons ordered destroyed. I don't own a Benchmade, and may never, but I'm not planning a boycott, either.
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Do you not care that all of their recent political campaign contributions have been to anti-gun Democrats?
 
In fairness to BM, the business has to make contributions to the politicians that represent their locale and state. It’s effectively political extortion.

They are in a suburb of one of the most hard left cities in the US and a heavily Democratic controlled state. If, as a business, you need to be heard by and have influence with the pols that represent your district and state, you have to pay. In fact, the effect of post-Abramaov scandal campaign finance and lobbying reform is that one of the few times a business can sit down one/one with a member of Congress is at a fundraiser. So, the fact that BM is paying the Dem pols that own Eastern Oregon does not necessarily reflect their politics. It reflects the political extortion that exists.

That said, Magpul and Weatherby are two examples of companies that changed jurisdictions in light of the hostile political environment.
 
You would think that companies that have pro-RKBA folks as nearly their entire customer base would stop doing stupid stuff like this.

The sad fact is that the majority of Americans are now anti-RKBA, anti-freedom, anti-conservative, and the corporations are simply mirroring that trend.
 
LRDGCO said:
In fairness to BM, the business has to make contributions to the politicians that represent their locale and state.
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No they don't. They don't have to make political contributions at all. In fact, most businesses don't make political contributions. And since they chose to make political contributions, one would expect that it be in the interest of itself and its customers, rather than against its customer base and eventually itself.
 
10mm Mike said:
No they don't. They don't have to make political contributions at all. In fact, most businesses don't make political contributions. And since they chose to make political contributions, one would expect that it be in the interest of itself and its customers, rather than against its customer base and eventually itself.
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Well:

1) you are wrong. In fact, corporations can’t make political contributions. But their PACs can and do. Cite your evidence for the false claim (and impossible) that “most businesses don’t make political contributions”.

2) their political contributions are in the interest of their business. With no influence with their state pols, they have no voice in how they are regulated or taxed at the state or national level. So they make extortionpayments as required.

3) it is evident from your post that you do not understand the corporate-governance nexus, campaign finance, or how lobbying works. I do. So you can learn something from me or lumber on in vociferous ignorance.
 
This bothered me at first. But seeing how these guns were required to be destroyed, no issue. I would prefer unclaimed guns in police custody be auctioned off but I am not going to argue with a judge on that point. Still going to buy Benchmades.
 
I don't see how Benchmade assisting a local police department carry out a court order in any way hurts my 2nd amendment rights.
 
jmr40 said:
I don't see how Benchmade assisting a local police department carry out a court order in any way hurts my 2nd amendment rights.
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Crushing/cutting the guns? No impact on your rights. Social media publicity implicitly stating that the destruction of guns = reduction in violence? That has the potential to have a big impact on your rights.
 
chicharrones said:
Same with the company I work for. We lean conservative from the top down. I have been asked to put that conservative lean into some of our marketing materials. As much as I lean conservative, I have repeatedly explained to the people in my company how we want to earn money from all sides of the political spectrum.

Now, if we had products for sale that only conservatives would purchase, that would be a different matter. But that's not the case, and the industry we serve is not flush enough for us to cut off half of our sales.
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And to solve the societal problems that exist it will also require support from both the Liberal and Conservative spectrum.
 
jmr40 said:
I don't see how Benchmade assisting a local police department carry out a court order in any way hurts my 2nd amendment rights.
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It doesn’t. But BM giving money to elect political candidates who are unabashedly anti-2A would hurt your 2nd amendment rights in a real, fundamental way.
 
herrwalther said:
This bothered me at first. But seeing how these guns were required to be destroyed, no issue. I would prefer unclaimed guns in police custody be auctioned off but I am not going to argue with a judge on that point. Still going to buy Benchmades.
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Why not just cut the check directly to the anti gun legislators they are passing your money on to?
 
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