Benchmade gun destruction
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jar
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It's not "clearly a propaganda video"; that is a description based not on the actual context of the video but rather the prejudices of the viewer. There is nothing in the video itself that says guns are bad and need to be destroyed rather the video instead says that a local business has provided support to a local police agency.
The message of the video really is the viewpoint of the viewer rather than the content itself.
The message of the video really is the viewpoint of the viewer rather than the content itself.
SilentStalker
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Ok, then what’s the point of the video? To say that they supported the local PD? If so, someone didn’t think about how this may be viewed. There are a number of ways to say that without being associated with the destruction of guns. To me, whether it was the PD or not, there is a reason they were showing guns destroyed and I highly doubt it was simply to give some love to Benchmade for helping them out. I mean it could be, but whoever decided to post it didn’t think it all the way through. It comes across as propaganda to most people, whether that was their intent or not.
Tommygunn
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Define "reasonable." Wait --- DON'T. It was a rhetorical question. The point is what YOU think reasonable, I will not.
The Second Amendment says "... SHALL NOT be infringed." That isn't a suggestion, it's an imperative.
jar
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Not to "most people" but rather to some people. As a gun owner and supporter I saw absolutely nothing in the video that implied guns are bad or guns should be destroyed.
No there won't. BM and the OCPD will have a slightly strained relationship (and BM may not do them any more "favors"), but they're big boys and aren't going to sue the cops.
CraigC
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I'll explain it to you, oh misguided liberal. Destroying a firearm is not just the destruction of a soulless tool or something 'we' view as a valuable historical artifact, toy or collectible. Let's forget for a moment the fact that this is valuable property, some of which is invariably rare, historical and/or collectible. Let's put out of our minds how moronic it is to destroy valuable property just because of what someone did with it. Destroying a firearm is symbolic. Just like some other symbols conjure images of past atrocities, a firearm being destroyed conjures images of what has happened in mass firearm confiscations in places like Australia and the UK. It's not just the destruction of an inanimate object or valuable property but it represents the destruction of liberty. The issue here is that a knife manufacturer participated in it. Guns & knives are forever, inextricably linked. Both in use and in the freedom they represent. This should disturb any American patriot, regardless of what side of the political spectrum you fall into.
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CoalTrain49
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Police have been destroying, or dumping (usually out in deep ocean for large coastal city P. D.s) for decades. It's only a "biggie" if they get rid of some particularly historic or important firearm.
Thousands of new guns are being made these days, much to the chagrin of "The Liberal," I'm sure.
Good point. I've often wondered what they do with all of the cars people donate to charity, probably scrap them. Seems guns may be in that category. What does someone do with a firearm from an estate that they have no need for or want? I suspect a lot of them get dropped off at the local PD because the new owner doesn't want the hassle of trying to sell it. Lots of really nice firearms built in the last century are showing up on the internet for sale these days.
I don't own a Benchmade knife, I usually buy CRKT, but I hear they're a top quality product. I think it's unfortunate that a company like this is getting so much blow-back from gun and knife owners over a video. I was over on another forum and there seems to be witch hunt going on over there to expose the owners politics and drive the company out of business. People even threatening to cut up their knives and posting it on YT.
I remember when Bill Ruger proposed to limit high capaity magazines. The company survived that and Benchmade will probably survive this. I have a S&W knife that was made in China. I didn't even look at where it was made when I bought it, should have I guess, but I doubt I'll be cutting it up anytime soon. Benchmade is still an American company, employing Americans and supporting an American community.
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Elkins45
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One of the least appealing aspects of the Great Yeti NRA Cooler Affair were all the videos of idiots blowing up coolers they had already paid for.
Yeah, that’ll show them!
Idiots.
The Liberal
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I wonder if y’all will burn your pickups too lol
Ya'll do know that the Senators from OR are both Democrats and all but one of their House members? BM's donations were also about half of what they'd been (chump change at about $8000 in 2018 down from $14,700 in 2016). That's just a gate pass to the Senator's offices. Politics is a messy business and businesses pay for access, like we do, to promote their businesses. This table shows a trivial contribution level. Wanna bet that the last time there was a viable R candidate was in 2012? It may be cynical, but the reality is that anyone that can afford to contributes to get access to influence their Senators and House Rep members.
badkarmamib
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I am missing how that is relevant, "lol"...
Ya'll do know that the Senators from OR are both Democrats and all but one of their House members? BM's donations were also about half of what they'd been (chump change at about $8000 in 2018 down from $14,700 in 2016). That's just a gate pass to the Senator's offices. Politics is a messy business and businesses pay for access, like we do, to promote their businesses. This table shows a trivial contribution level. Wanna bet that the last time there was a viable R candidate was in 2012? It may be cynical, but the reality is that anyone that can afford to contributes to get access to influence their Senators and House Rep members.
Oregon only has one Senator. Wyden claims to represent Oregon but his home is in NYC and his children go to school in NYC. The ONLY time he steps foot in Oregon is to campaign.
scaatylobo
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This Jew gets that post and totally agrees with you.
To those that think "not ever here" ,all that I can say is I pray your wrong.
BUT since we all know that history repeats itself !!,guess what's next.
I have no,none ZERO reason to trust any Govt that in any manner,shape or form = disarms its citizens.
AND do note I was an LEO for 26 years and only left being dragged out by LOD injurys !.
CraigC
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Destroying your Yeti cooler is symbolic, as is destroying a firearm. Not a big deal to just buy another brand of cooler. It is a big deal to destroy one you already paid a few hundred dollars for.
KevininPa
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We are willing to boycott companies because where we spend our money has more say than our votes sometimes. We vote for politicians who say they won't add more gun regs on the books but alas, as soon as they are in office they stab us in the back for a pork deal that lines their pockets. They don't even think about for the enforcement of current laws. They prefer to create new laws that turn law abiding citizens into criminals overnight. So if we can put companies in their place, we shall. Btw, in my local community, all seizures of anything criminal is auctioned off. A large check was given to a small community to help fund their new fledgling police department.
CoalTrain49
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Least we not forget a very prominent politician who was once a real estate tycoon who supported Democrat and republican politicians alike. When it comes down to business sometimes you have to pay the gate keepers. I'm not seeing burning down a small American knife company over their attempts to buy some political influence. It's how you survive in business in this country. Benchmade didn't vote those D's into office, the people in OR did.
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herrwalther
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For all the posts on THR about liberal "snowflakes" there certainly are a bunch of new anti-Benchmade owners now over a simple video. If gun owners boycotted every company where money from them went to something they disagreed with, no matter how small the amount, none of you would have anywhere else left to shop on the planet.
Aside from Gunny and maybe a few others, it is clear very few of you know how court orders work. 9 times out of 10 a PD will try to destroy as few firearms as possible. Firearm destruction happen a few times or even once per year. In that time, I have seen officers wiggle out firearms to auction before they were included in a court order. I have seen vintage or expensive firearms get added to a necessary inventory list because the "investigation wasn't done."
As far as Benchmade's political contributions, they have contributed $36,703 since 2010. That is pocket change over a 9 year time span. There isn't a politician in the country who will change their mind over getting less than 40K over close to 10 years.
Aside from Gunny and maybe a few others, it is clear very few of you know how court orders work. 9 times out of 10 a PD will try to destroy as few firearms as possible. Firearm destruction happen a few times or even once per year. In that time, I have seen officers wiggle out firearms to auction before they were included in a court order. I have seen vintage or expensive firearms get added to a necessary inventory list because the "investigation wasn't done."
As far as Benchmade's political contributions, they have contributed $36,703 since 2010. That is pocket change over a 9 year time span. There isn't a politician in the country who will change their mind over getting less than 40K over close to 10 years.
SilentStalker
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This is true.
MidRoad
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Welp, thanks Craig was reading this while eating my lunch. Saw that pic, and suddenly lost my appetite
To me, the problem is less about "every company" than it is about hypocrisy. I do not expect the manufacturer of my refrigerator to necessarily identify with my politics. I certainly don't expect it from those whose job it is to make the music I enjoy. However, I do expect companies in the business of shooting, self-defense, or related accessories to walk their actual or implicit talk when it comes to 2A.
Political opponents I can deal with squarely. Traitors I cannot abide.
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badkarmamib
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I just keep thinking persistence might be the key, that we will finally have some "facts" presented, or, at least, that some posters will eventually learn to "read the room".Ignore it.
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