Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact

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I'm interested in hearing comments by anyone else who owns a Beretta Px4 Storm Sub-Compact.

I got mine shortly after they hit the market. Basically, I really liked the way it fit my hand. And at 13+1 rounds of 9mm it's a lot of rounds in a small package. The downside is concealing the chunky little gun.

I recently got Beretta's Px4 Hi-Ride holster which works just fine with the sub-compact (even though the full size is pictured).

I'd love to hear your comments about your Px4.
 

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Well, since no one else is offering up any opinions or reviews of the Px4 Storm Subcompact I’ll give you mine. As I said before, I liked the way it fit my hand. That makes it easy to hold even though with the magazine extender I can hold it quite well with just two fingers on the grip.

The thickness of the gun is a bit of a problem with respect to concealed carry, but that is the price of a 13-round double stack magazine.

The glow-in-the-dark three dot sights are probably my least favorite part of the gun. I wear progressive lenses (tri-focals) and have a significant astigmatism in my dominant eye. This makes it some difficult for me to form a good sight picture with the three dots. I’m considering changing to XS 24/7 Big Dot sights (which are available for Px4 Storm…I just don’t know if they work on the subcompact or not). This is the front sight on my S&W M&P340CT and I can see it quite well.

A second problem with the sights/gun is that it shot significantly to the left when I got it. I have adjusted the sights for windage to correct the problem as best I can.

I have recently fired my 1,000th round through the Px4 with zero malfunctions (except for one failure to feed due to operator error—an improperly seated magazine).

I don’t have any bench rest accuracy reports, but I’ll tell you how I do off hand. As a point of comparison, I rented a Beretta 92FS at my local range and did a little side-by-side comparison. In all cases the ammunition was American Eagle 115gr FMJ.

First, slow fire at 7 yards. For this I used my own version of an NRA D-2 Target (tombstone with 6-, 4- and 2-inch diameter rings). With the Beretta 92 my best effort was 20 shots in a 4.25 inch circle. The POI was just a little low with most shots inside the 4-inch target circle. With the Px4 Storm SC my best grouping was about the same—a 4 inch circle, but the POI was left of the POI. As I mentioned there was some windage problem with the sight alignment, but some of the problem could be my eyes.

Next, rapid fire at 5 yards. For this I used a homemade target for something I’ve heard referred to as the “quad-five drill”—5 shots in 5 seconds at a 5-inch target at a distance of 5 yards. With the Beretta 92 it was fairly easy to hit the target consistently. I show two examples for the 92, one with 5 shots on target and a second with two 5-shot groups all on target. Although a little less consistent over the course of the day, I was also able to shoot some good groups with the Px4 Storm SC. The two examples shown both have 5 shots on target (sorry for the funky looking targets—I had a little set up problem with my printer and ran them through a second time).

As for recoil, there was less difference in the two guns than I expected. Although the Px4 Storm SC had a little more recoil than the full size 92, I’d say the difference was minor. Any difference in the target acquisition time between shots is probably related as much to the shorter sight radius on the 3-inch subcompact compared to the 5-inch full size gun as it is to recoil.

So, although I was initially concerned that my accuracy with the Px4 Storm Subcompact was not good enough, I now think that it is acceptable. Even my worst groups at the Quad-Five drill would fall within the 9-ring (12.187 H x 7.812 W) on a standard B-27 silhouette target at 5 yards. And after using my M&P340 with the XS Big Dot, I think that adding that to my Storm will improve my shooting.
 

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Thanks for your in depth input regarding the Px4 SC. I recently purchased one and shot it for the first time last week. I bought the full size version shortly after they came out and was very pleased with it, although like you, I wasn't as excited about the sights either for different reasons.
I was carrying a Glock 36 for CC but was never comfortable carrying with it charged up. After seeing the PX4 SC I chose it to replace the Glock. I too experienced all shots 3" left of center at 7rds and glad to hear you had the same trouble and it wasn't just my gun. Would appreciate hearing exactly how you cured that problem, Im know it's a matter of drifting the rear sight to compensate, but did you use a specific sight tool, or tap it into place??? Thanks for your input
 
I bought mine a year ago and have fired hundreds of various rounds with no problems at all. It seems to be as easy to shoot as the full size version PX4. I like the magazine with out the pinky grip best because it slides in and out of my back pocket a little easier. For those light days.
I had to get the CX4 Carbine just to make it a complete set. It too has been flawless over hundreds of rounds fired... like all Berettas I've bought. They rule.
I hope you enjoy your new Storm!
Happy shooting.
 
Glad to see some response to my post. :)

Sigp220sg: My first option to adjust the sights was to give the gun to my gunsmith. He drifted the Front Sight a little, but I still was not satisfied. I drifted the Rear Sight my self using a wooden dowel rod against the Rear Sight and a small brad hammer to tap the dowel. Beretta (and others) make a sight adjustment tool but at about $100 I decided to give the wooden dowel a try.

Question about carrying the Px4 SC: Assuming you carry with a round in the chamber, do you carry in the "Safe ON" and decocked position, or the "Safe OFF" and decocked position (allowing the gun to operate in DA first shot)? I also assume that you don't carry "Safe OFF" and fully cocked :eek:
 
I think the beauty of the design is that it is plenty safe with one in the chamber and the safety off. Still.... I'm a safety on guy. The consequences of an AD are just potentially too great to risk. No need to send a Golden Sabre ripping through my leg (also I dislike extreme pain). My thumb goes straight for the safety lever whenever I reach for the gun due to muscle memory and it just takes a flick to be ready.
 
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My preference is to carry "safe-on" with double action first shot. I practised flippin the safe off and firing double action and it was rather quick and smooth.
Thanks for replying to my sight question. I'd thought of the wooden dowel trick but wasn't confident enough to try it myself, but I may give it a try after all. My full size PX4 grouped well right out of the box, so Im really looking forward to getting the sub compact up to speed as well.
Have you tried re-loads in your gun yet? If so what load does it seem to like?
 
Sigp220sg: For practice I've been using mostly American Eagle 115gr FMJ--maybe a box of Blazer or something else. For carry I have some Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel, 124gr +P (part number 23611). I fired one magazine plus a few more to test feeding--no problem. I have been reluctant to shoot any more of that since I can't fine any replacement stock. I have not fired any reloads since I don't have any reloading equipment. If I ever do start reloading it will be with .38 Special / .357 Mag which I have been saving for a while -- revolver rounds are easier to save since I don't have to bend over to get 'em. ;)
 
The PX4 Compact is a slick little gun. I had one but could never shoot well with it. I find that to be true with many Berettas. I really wanted to be able to keep it. The issue is with me. Other than that I think the pistol is worth a try for anyone else.
 
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PAAiredale......Ive been fortunate enough to have someone on the inside at a local Wal Mart that watches ammo shipments for me. With his discount, Ive been getting "Blazer Brass", 115 gr FMJ and "Federal" (black box), 115 gr FMJ for about 8 bucks a box. I don't think you can reload for that nowadays. Primers are sky high!
Should you ever decide to start reloading a "Dillon 560B" is a great progressive reloader and the Dillon Company is 5 star! Ive had my machine since '88 and it still pumps out slick accurate ammo!
I recently had a plastic part break simply due to personal error and I wrote them and asked for a replacement, perfectly willing to pay for it and they shipped a new part completely free. They've done that for me twice since I purchased the press over 20 yrs ago. A company that actually stands behind their product? almost unheard of these days.
One more thing, picking up ejected brass is made easy by placing and old sheet, or tarp on the ground beside you. It'll catch all the brass and you just bend over once to pick up the sheet.
 
Sigp220sg: Wow $8 a box! That's quite a discount. I guess it pays to know someone on the inside at Walmart! If your friend ever needs someone else to buy his discounted ammo, I could probably help him out.:D
 
I hate to alter the general conversation, but to say it's a great gun. I followed a thread in 2006 looking for Ernest Langdon, formally of Beretta and suppose to be the very best at working on these. Anyone know if he still does custom work or how to get in touch with him. Last contact I could find was here with a guy named Citizen.
 
I purchased the first PX4 my LGS received

I have no complaints with the gun other than its thickness which makes it somewhat difficult to carry concealed. The gun has performed flawlessly, is accurate, and I love the capacity. That said, because of the thickness I rarely carry the gun concealed. For concealed carry I rely on my Kahr PM9, not as much capacity, but much easier to conceal and very light weight.
 
Can anybody tell me what they think about that long Double Action trigger pull on the first shot?

Mine felt rather gritty and was not smooth at all. This made it somewhat difficult to keep that DA shot on target. :(

I thought I'd try to smooth it out with some dry firing (which worked quite nicely on my S&W revolvers). Since the instruction manual warns against dry firing without a snap cap...and since I can't carry a gun with me in the state where I work, I decided to dry fire just the frame and trigger group (i.e. I removed the slide and barrel to eliminate the possibility of firing pin damage). I have about an hour commute so dry firing while I drive to and from work gives me a LOT of repetitions.

After working the trigger I cleaned it as thoroughly as I could by pulling the hammer all the way back while holding the trigger to create a little gap in the mechanism. This allowed me to run a miniature makeshift cotton swab (a little bit of cotton on a toothpick) in there to really clean it with Break Free CLP. I then gave it a good coating of CLP. The result was some noticeable improvement on the trigger pull—it is much smoother without as much of the gritty feeling. :)

I wonder if a gun smith could smooth do a trigger job on it and improve it even more.
 
PA, go to Berettaforum.net those guys know a ton about Beretta products. Generally a gunsmith can improve any factory trigger by using better springs then what the factory uses. I am very familiar with the 92 line and the cougar line, not so much with the Px4. In the 92 and cougar FS line, Beretta uses a higher poundage on the hammer spring. Beretta and Wolf sell a lighter hammer spring called a D spring that will dramaticaly reduce the trigger pull. Since the Px4 line has all three operation a FS(decocker and safety), G(Decocker only), and D (DAO no decocker or safety) I would assume you can put a D spring in a Px4. Again go to Berettaforum.net and some one there who is familiar with the Px4 can give you a better answer.
 
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