best ammo for M-1 Garand

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I've read that you have to be careful what factory ammo to use in the Garand to avoid over pressure bending the op rods. I have a nice service grade CMP M-1. It's an early one 280XXX. I don't want to screw it up feeding it the wrong ammo. Do most of you Garand owners replace the gas tube plug with a vented plug to avoid damaging the gun? IMG_0169.JPG
 
Safe ammo generates suitable gas port pressures, which is a function of the powder burn rate. Bullet weight has a impact also.

Suitable burn rates generally encompass powders like IMR4064 and faster in burn rates. If you're a handloader find a suitable powder in that zone. The 4895's are a good bet.

I'd avoid any factory ammo that isn't specifically "Garand Safe" The CMP Greek ammo is an inexpensive route to take. Creedmoore and Hornady sell 30-06 match ammo also.

I've not found a need for an adjustable gas plug because I can hand load or buy safe ammo.
 
Couple options...

1. Handload
2. Buy surplus M2 ball - Greek HXP is probably your best bet right now.
3. M1-specific loads as offered by the likes of American Eagle or Prvi Partizan
4. Buy the gas plug

The gas plugs are what, the price of two '06 boxes of ammo last time I checked? It's good to have one around just to have the flexibility to shoot non-specific ammo.

Stick with the above options and you'll be fine. I'd go ahead and get a replacement spring set for the Garand since a worn operating rod spring would also contribute to accelerated wear, even with M2 ball.
 
"...suitable gas port pressures..." For which there is no gauge to measure said pressure. Never once, in 40 plus years, seen nor heard of a rifle being damaged by the ammo. Never seen any documented proof or tests by a recognised laboratory that proves the ammo can damage one either. Lotta Internet hearsay and anecdotal evidence, but no proof. Been arguing about it for 20 years or more.
Buy a copy of Hatcher's Notebook and Hatcher's Book of the Garand. About $30 each on Amazon.
TM and FM .pdf manuals are here. Note the need for the provided UN & PW.
However, reloading is your best option. Your's only. Not somebody else's reloads, ever. 150 to 180 grain bullets using either if the IMR4895's, IMR4064, Varget or any suitable powder that produces around 2800 fps at ~ 50,000 PSI will do. IMR4064 gives more consistent accuracy than either 4985 with 168 grain match bullets.
Factory ammo comes from Hornady Vintage Match and Federal Gold Medal that has approximately .30 M1 velocities. That's 2700 FPS not the 2800 of .30 M2's 152 grain FMJ. )The rifle was designed and tested for and with .30 M1 ammo with its 174.5 grain bullet at 2640 fps. That ammo was found to have too much range for National Guard ranges so the Ordnance Dept. developed .30 M1906 with its 152 grain bullet at 2700 fps, later, in 1940, to be upped to 2800 fps to match the ballistics of .30 AP's 168 grain ammo. That's what .30 M2 ammo is.)
Federal no longer lists the 150 grain ammo they sold as Garand ammo. No .30-06 Match ammo at all.
Prvi loads "Garand" ammo too. No factory ammo is inexpensive.
The CMP sells 200 rounds of the Greek surplus loose in an ammo can with no clips for $160. 60 days delivery time though. A net search for .30 M2/M1 Ball turns up a bunch of sites too.
 
Couple options...

1. Handload
2. Buy surplus M2 ball - Greek HXP is probably your best bet right now.
3. M1-specific loads as offered by the likes of American Eagle or Prvi Partizan
4. Buy the gas plug

The gas plugs are what, the price of two '06 boxes of ammo last time I checked? It's good to have one around just to have the flexibility to shoot non-specific ammo.

Stick with the above options and you'll be fine. I'd go ahead and get a replacement spring set for the Garand since a worn operating rod spring would also contribute to accelerated wear, even with M2 ball.
I definitely wouldn't be too cheap to buy a gas plug to protect the gun. As far as the s OP rod spring, my father-in-law bought the gun in 2006 from CMP and I'm quite sure at 79 he hadn't shot it much. It should be pretty much in the condition it arrived in. Or maybe I should just change the spring?
 
Many people, myself included, have found the "Garand specific" loads to be inaccurate. Per the CMP manual, in additional to military .30 ball, commercial ammunition of less than 180 gr. is recommended.

Remington 150 gr. Core Lokt has proven inexpensive, safe, reliable and accurate in many many Garands over the years. If purchasing commercial ammunition for non-match purposes it it worth considering.
 
"...suitable gas port pressures..." For which there is no gauge to measure said pressure.
John Garand designed a pressure measuring system for the muzzle end of M1 rifles.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2347188.html

Piezo strain gauges do it better these days.

or any suitable powder that produces around 2800 fps at ~ 50,000 PSI will do
That's a reduced load. Normal max pressure is about 60,000 psi.

Or you used the military mix up and meant their old copper units of pressure incorrectly expressed in pounds per square inch.
 
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Never once, in 40 plus years, seen nor heard of a rifle being damaged by the ammo.
I've see a few bent op rods bent by 4350 and 4831 powders the USN van 'smiths straightened for civilians at the Nationals who used their favorite 30-06 bolt action hunting loads in their Garands. And one cracked M1 receiver rear hump in a Navy issue Garand caused by 4831 under 200 grain bullets.
 
I just roll my own using surplus pulled M2 FMJ bullets and I believe 47.5gr of IMR4895. Not positive on the powder amount, don't quote or crucify me, it's late and I'm not waddling downstairs to the reloading bench to verify it. There's a recommended amount of IMR4895 under a 150gr M2 FMJ bullet that replicates the M2 load, I use that.
 
I will look in my book and see what my recipe is for mine. I have had great luck with a load that works well in both my 03 and the Garand.....it is a pretty soft loading however.
 
JC's pressure measuring system for the muzzle end of M1 rifles isn't a port pressure gauge.
"...op rods bent by..." And what proof is there it was caused by the powder? Good example of anecdotal evidence though.
"...That's a reduced load..." That's .30 M2 Ball Spec. Not a reduced load nor anything to do with max loads. Standard U.S. Service Ammo.
"...one cracked M1 receiver..." That's not proof of the ammo causing it either. And another example of anecdotal evidence. A cracked 70ish year old receiver is likely metal fatigue related issue.
JC did his own Proof Load tests. Starting at the normal proof load of 70,000 PSI he went up by 5,000 PSI to 120,000 PSI, when, sometimes, the left locking lug would crack. A further 5,000 rounds of standard Service ammo was fired out of one of the test rifle with no further damage.
Is it not logical to think that a such way over proof loads would also produce much higher "port pressures"? Hatcher, who was there, also states that as of April 1948, the Ordnance Dept. had zero reports of blown receiver or locking lugs breaking off.
 
I have one of the adjustable gas plugs (Schuster I think), though I've only shot HXP through it. I've been reluctant to do the adjusting - are the newer non-adjustable plugs better/more foolproof (I think the Fulton one)?

My loads are not shot yet, and I didn't follow a Garand-specific recipe, but it was mostly or all 4064.
 
"...one cracked M1 receiver..." That's not proof of the ammo causing it either. And another example of anecdotal evidence. A cracked 70ish year old receiver is likely metal fatigue related issue."

Garand Collector's Assoc. news letter tells a very different story.
 
"...one cracked M1 receiver..." That's not proof of the ammo causing it either. And another example of anecdotal evidence. A cracked 70ish year old receiver is likely metal fatigue related issue."

Garand Collector's Assoc. news letter tells a very different story.

Would you have a link for that?
 
I definitely wouldn't be too cheap to buy a gas plug to protect the gun. As far as the s OP rod spring, my father-in-law bought the gun in 2006 from CMP and I'm quite sure at 79 he hadn't shot it much. It should be pretty much in the condition it arrived in. Or maybe I should just change the spring?

New springs, relatively speaking, are cheap preventative maintenance. The rifle may not have been fired much since 2006, but there is no telling how many rounds are on the current spring from when it was still in service.

In the same note of inexpensive preventative actions, I think a gas plug falls into that category. I have always read that ammo outside the operating bounds of M1/M2/other service ammo will damage the operating rod and potentially the receiver, given enough rounds. I believe this based on my understanding of the interaction between powder burn rate, barrel length, bullet weight, and all the other variables. I will gladly stand corrected if enough evidence surfaces....until then, a gas plug is cheap peace of mind.
 
It was discussed briefly in this thread:

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-0-010-too-much-for-a-one-time-firing.815974/

Check out post #51 for a discussion. In a nutshell, cartridges (handloads in both cases) were too long to allow the bolt to fully lock up, and the floating firing pin set off the primer causing an out-of-battery discharge. That's another classification of unsafe ammo in a Garand, and not really what the OP was asking. Handloads should be made to SAAMI dimensions and have primers seated a little below flush, along with using powder in the safe burn rate window.
 
OK, thanks.

Briefly, what did they say. For the benefit of the rest of us.....

Two mentioned were in 2016
1) At Camp Perry a 308 chambered M1 on the 4th shot of a rapid fire session.
2) At Talladega during a slow fire sighting stage using a SLED.
Both incidents cracked the heel of the receiver. The article by Steve Rutledge and Andrew Hall was investigating out of battery discharges.
 
Two mentioned were in 2016
1) At Camp Perry a 308 chambered M1 on the 4th shot of a rapid fire session.
2) At Talladega during a slow fire sighting stage using a SLED.
Both incidents cracked the heel of the receiver. The article by Steve Rutledge and Andrew Hall was investigating out of battery discharges.

Thanks!
 
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