Best "Off the Shelf" AR for HD- (I Know....)

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I know this has been asked several (hundred?) times, and I did try searching, but I don't want to wade through pages of past posts, so...

I'll be moving into a new apartment soon, and just want you're thoughts on the "Best' AR I could buy and use WITHOUT any "mods".

Things I DON"T want- "Quad Rails" - probably will put on a flashlight and Red Dot (or Laser) sight
Front vertical grip- I just don't get it or see the need
Ambi safety- see above
I understand that Suppressors are a great addition and asset, but not for me at this time- Threaded for one is fine, and I think pretty much standard now, anyway.

Flame suit on for "Another Post About" and "Just check Previous Posts" but appreciate any constructive opinions.

Thanks
 
What’s your budget.
Browsing offered some nice ones that aren’t cheap

The other end of the extreme is Smith and Wesson or Ruger. Both have nice entry level ARs that might fit the bill

I’m not sure who’s in between
 
Thanks for all of the replies (with no flames, even!)
I should have specified a budget- I'm not planning on spending much over $500 on this, certainly not 12- 15!
 
With no discussion or follow up, if I had to give a quick answer...

I agree with the above on Smith, Ruger, or PSA as they are cheap but good, have a good warranty, and have a good track record.

But there are plenty of great companies and some crappy ones. So it's a can of worms.
 
Ask yourself, at home defense ranges; what AR/AK platform doesn't work? Answer, they all will and will easily do the job.

Depending on where you live; shoot after collateral damage must be a consideration.
 
Ask yourself, at home defense ranges; what AR/AK platform doesn't work? Answer, they all will and will easily do the job.

Well, yes and no. I personally wouldn't trust some no-name company's AR to be reliable the same way I would a known quantity. Also, I may be a snob but I personally wouldn't trust any of the polymer lower rifles either.
 
Ok so serious question.
Is an AR the best choice for him in an apartment?

I’d be worried about shooting a neighbor through a wall.
Anyone have a better suggestion in his budget?
 
Ok so serious question.
Is an AR the best choice for him in an apartment?

I’d be worried about shooting a neighbor through a wall.
Anyone have a better suggestion in his budget?
Indeed that was one reason I sold my first build, an XM177E2 clone I built right after I got out of the Army. I couldn't hunt with it, poor choice for HD in an apartment, and I had a kid on the way, and since the AWB was about to kick in, I decided to sell it. Made several times what I had into it.
 
Indeed that was one reason I sold my first build, an XM177E2 clone I built right after I got out of the Army. I couldn't hunt with it, poor choice for HD in an apartment, and I had a kid on the way, and since the AWB was about to kick in, I decided to sell it. Made several times what I had into it.

So what’s the answer to my question.
As much as I love ARs, what would be a better option as we’ve given OP the best AR choices in their budget?
 
Ok so serious question.
Is an AR the best choice for him in an apartment?

I’d be worried about shooting a neighbor through a wall.
Anyone have a better suggestion in his budget?

I would be less concerned using an AR for home defense in an apartment than either a shotgun or handgun for three main reasons.

The first is that the platform allows for more accurate rapid fire should the need arise. The second is that in the event of a miss the 223 round will go through less drywal than either the shotgun or handgun. And the third is that the terminal ballistics of an expanding 223 round on flesh is much greater than either of the others.

My personal set up it an M&P Sport with Magpul furniture, a Votex Strikefire, a generic light that uses 18650 batteries, and loaded with Hornady Superformance 53 grain V-Max
 
Ok so serious question.
Is an AR the best choice for him in an apartment?

I’d be worried about shooting a neighbor through a wall.
Anyone have a better suggestion in his budget?
Well if it isn't ( and it might be) I think the other option is a shotgun, then a 9 mm
 
I have steered a lot of people toward a Ruger AR-556 lately. IIRC, they have one with the Magpul furniture already installed on it.

Most rifles are going to work for most people most of the time. There is a quality difference in a $1500 rifle, but you have to shoot a lot to reveal it.

And no, a shotgun or pistol is NOT a safer choice for indoors, house, apartment, or otherwise. Proper defensive ammunition has high velocity and low mass, and is far more likely to break up on impact and penetrate fewer layers of sheetrock than a pistol bullet. Try your own tests if you don't believe me.
 
It's going to take homework and work on your part to find a good AR that will fit your requirements on a budget and ensure it's gonna work every time- and it's going to cost more than $500. But the extra investment will more than pay for itself.

When legal, I've had self defense firearms in my home my entire life (I was not allowed firearms in the Air Force barracks or when stationed overseas). I've lived in big houses, small houses, apartments and a motorhome. The following recommendation is based on first hand experience.

My first recommendation would be a Colt 6933. With its 11.5" barrel, quality of build, proper gas porting and correct springs, the only refinement it needs is swapping out the H buffer for an H2. The 6933 fits your needs because it's reliable, durable, is a lot of fun to shoot and it's short length is handy in tight spaces. However, the 6933 is not a practical recommendation because of NFA requirements, cost and current lack of availability. So, the question is, can one have an AR with all the advantages of the Colt 6933 on a budget? The answer is, with a little effort, one can come surprisingly close.

This isn't an "off the shelf" solution, as some assembly is required, but I think it'll meet your requirements better than any turn key AR.

First get this upper from PSA- https://palmettostatearmory.com/deals/ar-15-days.html

At $250 shipped complete with BCG, it's a great value and still only need two possibly three, upgrades- a Colt extractor spring for improved reliability and a Black River Tactical Covert Comp to send the muzzle blast down range away from the shooter. If the barrel is over gassed (which, being from PSA is a distinct possibility), it will need something to address that. Black River Tactical has a couple of simple and affordable solutions in the form of the EZ Tune gas tube and the Micro Port inserts. (I have no connection with BRT or PSA other than being a satisfied customer of both.)

Next, get this PSA lower for $180 plus shipping- https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-stealth-classic-sba3-lower.html

This lower only needs two upgrades. First, take out the carbine buffer and banish it go the Box of Useless Parts and install an H2 buffer. All 5.56 ARs equipped with a carbine receiver extension should be fitted with an H2 buffer.

Next, get a Split Fix for the SBA3. The SBA3 is one of the best, if not THE best, seem brave on the market today. But it is significantly improved with the installation of a Split Fix strap. The Split Fix stiffens and protects the wings of the SBA3 and improves usability.

Normally, I advise shooting an AR before making any changes. But the changes I've suggested are based on shooting and experimenting with several ARs. Lightweight carbine buffers are too light, PSA extractor springs are inadequate to the job and the improvements the Split Fix brings to the SBA3 makes it well worth the money. You won't know if the barrel is overgassed until the gas port is measured or the AR is shot. (DO NOT make the mistake of using the ejection pie chart in an attempt to determine if your AR is overgassed. It will make you crazy.)

All you need to complete this AR is a rear sight, Sig Romeo 5, mag, ammo and a sling. For a flashlight mount, check into the offerings by Arisaka.

Based on my personal preferences, I would change to a Slimline handguard and BCM Gunfighter grip.

Based on your requirements and budget, you'd be hard pressed to come up with anything that suits your needs better.
 
We live a thickly forested area with no neighbors close by (~.5 mile an over a mountain) and it is a log cabin. The Chattahoochee NF isn't populated; perhaps the fact that cell phones don't work and the only internet worth squat is Hughes has something to do with that..
OTOH, we love it here
. ;)


Well, yes and no. I personally wouldn't trust some no-name company's AR to be reliable the same way I would a known quantity. Also, I may be a snob but I personally wouldn't trust any of the polymer lower rifles either.

It's not being a snob; it is your money therefore, your choice. The same criteria applies to others.

I'd hope no matter what anyone plans on using for HD; they go to a range etc and shoot it and a lot. Once the platform is proven; now, one has a real HD weapon.
My policy is simple, shoot it a lot, a real lot; if it doesn't work, fix it or pay to have it fixed.

Another item to consider, some semi auto pistols are very picky eaters.
 
I see the M4 snobs are out in force on this thread.

A basic Ruger, S&W, or PSA will serve your needs just fine.

You're not some secret squirrel wannbe, you're not some 3 gun runner. You just want a basic carbine for home defense.

All three of the brands listed above will go bang when the trigger is pulled, all three fit your budget, and all three are just fine for the vast majority of gun owners.

It's the same with 1911 pistols. There are those that will tell you if it's not a Wilson or some bespoke build that it's trash.
 
I actually have a Bushmaster, multiple PSA’s, a mixmaster so convoluted I couldn’t even break down what all’s in it except that it works, I have a RRA, I have a Centurion/Spike, I have BCM’s and I have a Noveske.

The OP asked ...
I'll be moving into a new apartment soon, and just want you're thoughts on the "Best' AR I could buy and use WITHOUT any "mods".

If I was grabbing one AR to head towards trouble with I’d grab either one of the BCM’s or the Noveske. They’ve consistently provided the best accuracy with the most reliability.

It has less to do with snobbery than that’s just been my experience. :Shrug

Want to buy a PSA or a S&W? Cool, go for it. Certainly nothing wrong with them. I’ve had good experience with them too (never shot a Ruger AR, nothing to go by).
 
I see the M4 snobs are out in force on this thread.

A basic Ruger, S&W, or PSA will serve your needs just fine.

You're not some secret squirrel wannbe, you're not some 3 gun runner. You just want a basic carbine for home defense.

All three of the brands listed above will go bang when the trigger is pulled, all three fit your budget, and all three are just fine for the vast majority of gun owners.

It's the same with 1911 pistols. There are those that will tell you if it's not a Wilson or some bespoke build that it's trash.
So, buying any AR beyond Ruger, S&W or PSA is like buying a bespoke Wilson 1911?

The brands suggested by Browning offer basic ARs for reasonable prices and more likely to produce a trouble free AR right out of the box. That's not just parroting internet mythology, that's based on first hand experience and the experience of folks I know personally who have been working on ARs for decades. It has nothing to do with "Secret Squirrel" or "operating operationally". Just plain ordinary, everyday shooting.
 
Maybe not THE best but sportco has Bushmaster with a sig red dot for $499. Can't go wrong with that imo.
 
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