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Miller aiming to help Beretta navigate law
http://www.gazette.net/200405/montgomerycty/state/198816-1.html

by Thomas Dennison
Staff Writer
Jan. 28, 2004

For complete coverage of the 2004 legislative section, go towww.gazette.net/annapolis2004/.

ANNAPOLIS -- Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. has promised to sponsor legislation that would help local handgun manufacturer Beretta USA comply with the trigger lock provision in a landmark gun safety bill passed in 2000.

Miller (D-Dist. 27) of Chesapeake Beach said Accokeek-based Beretta has not been able to sell its handguns in the state because of a controversial trigger lock provision contained in the gun law championed by Gov. Parris N. Glendening (D). Miller made no bones that he wants to help Beretta -- which is in his southern Prince George's County district -- comply with the law and sell its handguns to Marylanders.

"Beretta is a very valued employer and very valued industry in Maryland," Miller said. "Because of the law's unintended consequences, Beretta can't sell guns in Maryland that are manufactured right here in Maryland. ... I'm looking for a way to ensure that the guns will comply with the locking requirement and allow Beretta to compete with its overseas gun competition."

Miller emphasized that his bill will not weaken the provisions of the bill, dubbed the Responsible Gun Safety Act of 2000. It is intended only to clarify the definition of the locking device that has to be built into new handguns.

Glendening's gun bill, which required "integrated mechanical safety devices" and other provisions aimed at improving safety, even prompted President Clinton to come to Annapolis and praise Maryland's governor and General Assembly.

The National Rifle Association and gun rights organizations, which fought the trigger-lock bill vigorously, have been saying for the past year that the law has imposed a de facto handgun ban in Maryland. Many manufacturers -- Beretta and Browning in particular -- have said the law prevents them from selling handguns in the state.

"We're delighted that somebody is trying to look at the present situation and solve the problem of availability of good, quality handguns for law-abiding citizens," said Jim Purtilo, publisher of pro-gun newsletter Tripwire. "Right now, manufacturers like Beretta can't comply with current law."

Purtilo and other gun enthusiasts are cautious in their support for Miller's bill because they wonder if it will be loaded with anti-gun legislation, such as an assault weapons ban. A strong effort is under way to ban assault weapons, and Purtilo said he is worried that the trigger lock problem could be corrected in exchange for an assault weapons ban.

"I'm real concerned that there may be some bartering going on, and legislators may feel like they can trade a vote for the Beretta bill in return for a vote on an assault weapons ban," he said. "Our concern is there may be a connection between the bills."

The assault weapons bill would ban not only the semiautomatic Uzis, AK-47s and other guns included in the federal assault weapons ban set to expire this year, but also copycats and other assault weapons, such as the Bushmaster rifle used in the 2002 sniper rampage. The bill seemed to gather steam earlier this month when Miller blasted Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R) for opposing previous bans while he was a member of Congress.

Senate Judicial Proceedings Chairman Brian E. Frosh (D-Dist. 16) of Bethesda said he had not been briefed on Miller's bill and would not comment.

Leah Barrett, executive director for CeaseFire Maryland, said she was unaware of Miller's bill, but at first blush, her organization is likely to be opposed.

"I don't think it sounds promising at all," Barrett said.

Paul E. Schurick, Ehrlich's communications director, said the governor applauds Miller for taking on the trigger-lock issue and would be very supportive of the measure. But he stressed that there will be no deal if there is horse-trading with an assault weapons ban.

"It would go against everything in the governor's soul to sign an assault weapons ban and make a deal like that," Schurick said.



Gun ban gathers steam
http://www.gazette.net/200404/carrollcty/state/198667-1.html

by Steven T. Dennis
Staff Writer
Jan. 23, 2004

ANNAPOLIS ? A bill banning assault weapons is shaping up to be the major battle over weaponry this session, with the idea getting a nod from Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. and a broad swath of liberal Democratic lawmakers this week.

The bill, sponsored by Sen. Robert J. Garagiola (D-Dist. 15) of Germantown and Del. Neil F. Quinter (D-Dist. 13) of Columbia, would ban not only the semiautomatic Uzis, AK-47s and other guns included in the federal assault weapons ban set to expire this year, but also copycats and other assault weapons, such as the Bushmaster rifle used in the 2002 sniper rampage.

Miller, who blasted Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R) at a Democratic Party luncheon last week for voting against previous gun bans, stopped short of saying the bill will pass. But the master of the Senate, if he decides to get behind the bill, will find breaking a sure filibuster on the issue easier now that he plans on changing the votes need to end debate from two-thirds (32 votes) to three-fifths (29 votes). Ehrlich has long opposed gun bans, but he may not want an assault weapons ban hotly opposed by many Republicans to reach his desk, given that the issue has proven popular in polls.

Miller (D-Dist. 27) of Chesapeake Beach could make assault weapons his Lynn Y. Buhl of the session, where he breaks his alliance with Ehrlich on slots and other issues to take a partisan whack, as he did by defeating the governor's environmental secretary nominee last year.

Sen. Alexander X. Mooney (R-Dist. 3) of Frederick, an ardent gun rights advocate, defended the weapons as "sport utility rifles."

He said fully automatic machine guns have long been banned, and giving people guns, including semiautomatic Uzis, would make them safer. He also questioned statistics cited by anti-gun supporters that the federal ban has cut crime and assault weapon traces used in crimes. He decried the proposal as part of a step-by-step plan to ban all guns. Mooney is considering a bill expanding the right to carry guns.

As for the "sport utility rifle" phrase, Senate Judicial Proceedings Chairman Brian E. Frosh (D-Dist. 16) of Bethesda remarked, "I'm sure the snipers felt that was a good name.

"The only use for it is for people who want to kill other people," said Frosh, who said he is optimistic the bill will pass this year.

Although prospects are looking up in the Senate, the bill faces a tough hurdle in the House from Judiciary Chairman Joseph F. Vallario Jr., who is skeptical of the need for new gun laws.

Vallario (D-Dist. 27) of Upper Marlboro said he has a lot of questions about the ban, mainly about how it differs from the about-to-expire federal ban and what impact it will have on existing guns.

"Just like every other bill, we'll look at it," Vallario said.

Del. Carmen Amedori (R-Dist. 5A) of Westminster, a gun rights advocate, said she has always expected the House to be key to preserving gun rights once Frosh became chairman of Judicial Proceedings.

A rally for the ban held last week at the Chevy Chase home of CeaseFire Maryland Executive Director Leah Barrett attracted a veritable mob of elected officials, from possible gubernatorial candidates Montgomery County Executive Douglas M. Duncan (D) and Del. Peter V.R. Franchot (D-Dist. 20) of Takoma Park to Frosh and U.S. Rep. Christopher Van Hollen Jr. (D-Dist. 8) of Kensington.

Van Hollen noted that prospects of passing an assault weapons ban are better with Frosh as the Judicial Proceedings chairman than in earlier years when Walter M. Baker relished making mincemeat out of gun control proposals. Baker was defeated in 2002.

There were even a few Republicans at Barrett's home, led by Montgomery County Councilman Howard A. Denis (R-Dist. 1) of Chevy Chase. With Van Hollen's 2002 defeat of Constance A. Morella, Denis, a former state senator, may be the most liberal elected Republican in the state.

While supporters were meeting inside, a band of gun rights proponents protested outside.

Staff Writer Thomas Dennison contributed to this report.
 
I don't trust that ??????? miller any farther than I can throw him:cuss: :fire:. I'm glad Erlich has stood his ground on this issue (and others, like slots), but I'm affraid he'll give them a compromise. Allowing Beretta to sell guns here in exchange for an AWB is like selling an Enzo so you can get a Dino
 
After I spent a month in Maryland last year on business, I felt like kissing the ground once I arrived back home in Indiana. :D

All kidding aside, it was beautiful country (Carroll County, around Hampstead & Westminster), but the gun laws would drive this Hoosier insane.

The couple of people that I talked guns with just couldn't believe how easy it was to get a CCW in my state. :neener:
 
It's too bad they didn't pack up and move the day that law was passed. AND publish big ads in all the papers explaining why they were moving, how much tax revenue they were taking and how many jobs they were taking. That would have problably got that a**H***'s attention.
 
reminds me of Mass. I can't buy Kahrs or Springfield Armory and they are made right here. good luck to Maryland.
 
... I'm looking for a way to ensure that the guns will comply with the locking requirement and allow Beretta to compete with its overseas gun competition.
Sounds a lot like he wants to force a design change on the company instead of a law change.
 
The original locking device law was so poorly worded, that it could mean almost anything. It was left to the State Police to write the details. Then the MSP waited until the last minute to issue the details.

The whole purpose of the law was to dry up sales of new handguns. It has nothing to do with safety.
 
If used guns are OK for sale, you'd think that some people on the borders could make some nice spending money by buying up a nice selection of used guns and selling them to MD residents. (via a MD FFL holder, of course)
 
Amish_Bill, used guns are only sort of ok. Under the built-in lock law, all guns, new or used, that were built on or after 1/1/03 must have a built-in lock. Right now that means that virtually all used guns are ok, but in the not so distant future things are likely to get tougher. Already, many distributors are refusing to sell even used guns to MD because they don't want to have to keep track of when specific guns were made. Oh, and yes, used gun prices are going through the roof- in some cases they are similar to what the same gun cost new here just a couple years ago.
 
Chaim, what you say about used handguns is interesting.

I would think higher market prices mean higher street prices. And, I would imagine more home break-ins with burglars looking particularly for handguns, as well as any store front that deals in new and/or used handguns like gun shops and pawn shops.

So, maybe another unintended consequence of the trigger lock law is more break-ins, robberies, and associated violence.
 
I think the unintended consequence for me will be planning my drives back to PA so that they pass through MD, and putting up a list of used handguns I'm willing to sell a week or two before I pass through. I'm certain there will be at least one shop happy to get a small spurt of business that afternoon.

:D
 
Amish, unless you hold an FFL, I would careful about any kind of "dealing" you do with significant number of firearms. I am sure there is some law set-up to catch unlicensed "dealers", whatever that threshold is.

Get my drift?
 
"dealing".... yeah.... I can document at least 6 months of ownership on most anything I'd bring through. I'm not quite silly enough to take orders, buy from a list, then visit MD. Heck - it's enough of a stretch to think that I'd willingly go to MD in the first place!
 
here it comes again

SENATE BILL 288
File Code: Public Safety
Sponsored By:
Senators Garagiola, Britt, Conway, Currie, Exum, Forehand, Frosh,
Gladden, Grosfeld, Hollinger, Hughes, Jones, Kasemeyer, Kelley, Kramer,
Lawlah, McFadden, Pinsky, Ruben, and Teitelbaum
Entitled:
Maryland Assault Weapons Ban of 2004

Synopsis:
Designating specified firearms as assault weapons; prohibiting with
specified exceptions a person from transporting an assault weapon into
the State or possessing, selling, offering to sell, transferring,
purchasing, or receiving an assault weapon; requiring the Handgun
Roster Board to compile and maintain a roster of prohibited assault
weapons; etc.

its not posted yet

heres the 2003 version:
http://mlis.state.md.us/2003rs/billfile/sb0494.htm
Sponsored By:
Senators Garagiola, Conway, Currie, Exum, Forehand, Grosfeld, Hollinger, Hughes, Jones, Kasemeyer, Kelley, Lawlah, McFadden, Pinsky, Ruben, and Teitelbaum

Entitled:
Firearms - Assault Weapons - Ban
Synopsis:


Making it a misdemeanor to transport an assault weapon into the State or to possess, sell, offer to sell, transfer, purchase, or receive an assault weapon; making it a misdemeanor to use an assault weapon or a specified magazine in the commission of a felony or crime of violence; providing specified penalties; etc.
 
did anyone read the text of the proposed AWB? The wording of it could ban all semi-auto centerfire rifles with detatchable magazines.
page 6, line 12 says:
a centerfire rifle that can accept a detatchable magazine and any of the following:
a pistol grip. . .
a thumbhole stock
a folding or telescopic stock. . .(the usual evil features)
Now, maybe I'm over-paranoid, but to me "can accept a detatchable magazine and any of the following" says "if any of the following can be fitted to the gun, it's illegal." What semi-auto rifle cannot accept a thumbhole stock? Are there any rifles where the stock can't be changed?
:fire:
 
once they make "assault weapons" illegal

its a simple matter to later redefine "the assault weapon"

heres what Neil Quinter said in the paper this week:
The study also confirmed that
assault weapons are disproportionately involved in murders with multiple
victims, with multiple wounds per victim and with police officers as
victims.

there is only one way to make this a true statement,
you include semi auto pistols in the assault weapon definition

which is just like the uplifters proposed:

The term —assault weapon“ must include any semiautomatic rifle, shotgun,
or pistol that can accept a detachable magazine and includes one listed additional feature such as a pistol grip, fore-end grip, or collapsible stock.

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/news/alerts/reader/0,2061,563248,00.html
 
Ummmmm -

From Harry Tuttle

'The term —assault weapon“ must include any semiautomatic rifle, shotgun,
or PISTOL that can accept a detachable magazine and includes one listed additional feature such as a PISTOL GRIP, fore-end grip, or collapsible stock.

This is the sad and laughable 'legalese' being written
into law by educated morons (lots o' books and
classroom time and ZERO common sense.)
I have long believed that admission to law
school requires either total lack of common
sense or if you have any it must be surgically
removed prior to admittance.

Has anyone every seen a pistol that DIDN'T have
a pistol grip ????????????????????
 
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