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Short version: My boots are shot. Need new ones. Any advice??


Long version: I purchased my current pair of hiking/hunting boots about 12 years ago (1995 or 1996) from the Dartmouth Co-op in Hanover, NH. They are heavy duty hiking/mountainering boots, made in Italy and are pretty much bomb proof. I've hunted, hiked and traveled in them extensively for the last 12 or so years, having replaced the Vibram sole a couple of times from normal wear.

Normally, I would come to terms with the fact that boots wear out, but not these, and not in the manner they did. You see, I spent a ton of money on them - almost $300. They were handmade in the Italian Alps and exude quality through and through.

What has failed, however, is very frustrating. Its the rubber midsole that holds the sole onto the actual boot. Last winter, on the last day of hunting in Georgia, I stubed my toe on a rock while coming down the mountain and the front half of the sole on my left foot was all of a sudden detached and dangling. Looks like the rubber just gave out.

Now, it strikes me its repairable, but every cobbler I've taken it to (at least 6) has told me to send it back to the manufacturer since they can't work on this custom ribber shaped piece. The problem is that back in the early and mid 90s, Merrell was a proud American company headquartered in Burlington, VT and manufacturing nearly all its shoes in the US (these and a couple of other moutnaineering models were the exceptions and made in the Alps). The year after I purcahsed them though, Merrell was purchased by a holding company out of Chicago who proceeded to shut down all domestic manufacturing, shipping production off to China and imposing 90 day (as opposed to lifetime) warranty on their shoes. These should carry a lifetime warranty, but alas no one at Merrell has any idea these days (if you can even get through to them).

So, having tried to repair them and failed, I am giving up and in the market for boots. Two different models have caught my eye (I'll never pay as much for boots again).

  • These $139 Kangaroo upland hunters from LL Bean (Bonus, because they are made from Kangaroo - like the .50 BMG they are banned in California).
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  • These $129 Gore-Tex Kangaroo Upland Boots from LL Bean (they are banned in Cali too!)
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Also, any thoughts on the traditional LL Bean Maine Hunting Boot? They strike me as primarily a marsh and bog duck hunting boot. But I don't know. Used to have them as a kid, would wear them in the snow. How much grip do they have? Is it enough traction in the woods and hills/mountains?

Any other thoughts/recommendations? Any thoughts on folks who might be able to help me with my boots?
 
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advice? hmmm... well, not danner.

i've had good luck w/ rockys.

i'm piqued by the banned in california stuff... are those boots banned only because they are made from kangaroos, or because they are made from within the u.s. from kangaroos, or...???

anything that's banned must be good...

sorry, no/limited experience w/ l.l. bean products.
 
Its the Kangaroo thing. I guess it really irks the PETA types, which makes it worthwhile for me :)

I used to live in New England (and grew up just outside of it, but well within the Bean reach) so with almost all outdoor clothing purchases, the default is to go Bean.


Someone sent me a link to Dave Page in Oregon, who seems to be best positioned to actually fix my existing boots! I might jus ttry that out first.
 
$300, twelve years? I would say that is a bargain, boots do wear out ya know.

I have some danners with several thousand hours on em that are still Pretty good.
Some Wesco's that are almost ready to be sent to the factory for a rebuild that are about 12 years old.

Now, it depends on how good a boot or I should say what kinda terrain/weather your gonna be wearing them in. Do you need a logger/work to give your foot/ankle the best protection and support available? or Pac's or just a cloth top hunter/hiker?

Top of the line boots are made by White's Boots or Wesco, Nicks Another one or two in Kellogg Id or over in Oregon, from there you tend to step into the boots like you pictured that several makers make. I like my custom made to fit my feet Wesco's the best but they ain't cheap.

Good luck cause new untried brands of boots don't always pan out as we would like. I would NEVER again buy a pair I can't try on and walk around in some. Bought a pair of Georgia brand boots online that I only wore about 1 hour and they haven't been out of the box since. I have a $29 dollar pair oh hiker types from Big -5 that are almost wore out and would have a bargain at 3 or 4 times the price, and another pair from there at about the same price I threw away when almost new.
 
"...Its the Kangaroo thing..." It never ceases to amaze me what the tree huggers think. Kangaroos have become a huge pest in Australia. In 2002, the 'roo population in Queensland alone was estimated at 38 million.
Anyway, you're better to buy boots locally as opposed to mail order. The right fit and all. You'll notice a huge difference between a $300 pair and a $139 pair too. Mind you, $300 for boots isn't expensive these days. At least not up here. I've seen brand name boots running nearly $600Cdn ($584US).
The "Maine Hunting Boot" is essentially the same as a Sorel boot. Leather upper with a rubber bottom. Hot unless it's really cold out. Heavy at the best of times.
 
I've had the same pair of Danner Fort Lewis Go Devil boots for about 10 years now and they are still going strong.
 
Ft. Lewis Boots

advice? hmmm... well, not danner.

Why? I also have a pair of Ft Lewis boots that have seen much use in all types of terrain and have held up wonderfully. A warning though- Danner's cheap boots are made in China. Their Ft Lewis boots and a few others are still made here.

Also, I have had 100% great experience with Red Wing and Irish Setters. Red Wing makes more work boot type boots and Irish Setter makes the hunting boots, but I think that they are the same company if memory serves me correct.
 
The LL Bean Maine hunting shoe is a great boot for wet conditions but not enough support for rough country hiking. I wear them for archery deer until the weather gets cold enough to switch to insulated LaCross rubber boots.
I have a pair of the Kangaroo uplands and they are Chinese mfg- not really a quality boot. (They were a gift from the wife.)
There are Danner's USA and there are DINOs (Danner in name only) made in China. I bought a pair of the DINO pronghorns for a 1 week Utah archery elk hunt and pretty much trashed them. Had to reattach a heel with superglue on the side of a mountain- luckily it is still holding. They are comfortable and dry and I still use them some, but no way would I take them on another rough country hunt.
I think my next pair of serious boots will probably be White's. $300 is a bargain if they are comfortable, protective, and can last 10 years. I'll also consider a pair of the USA Danners.
 
According to the inflation calculator, that $300 purchase in 1995 is the equivalent to a $395 purchase at the end of 2006. I'm not complaining, but at the same time there is no way I would say that is inexpensive by any stretch of the imagination. Still, these are high quality boots, and but for the mid sole, have held up admirrably.

Called Dave Page up. He said he makes this repair often to these boots. Will cost me $70 and he'll have them back to me in 2 weeks. Should get another 10 years out of them, at least.

At that rate, they are the deal of the century!
 
The Danner's I bought 3 years ago were junk. Fast wearing soles and terrible footbed, they trashed my feet up here at Denali park. Superfeet insoles are what kept me walking. My buddy bought a pair and wore them out in 6 months, working out on Mammoth Mountain. Danner's may be ok on dirt but not on rock.

Best boots I've tried, Vasque. I am on my second pair of Sundowner Classics after about 6 years with the first ones. Chinese made, but high quality. They run about 180$. I absolutely love them. Amazing comfort. Good support. Waterproof with Goretex liner, I also use Sno-Seal on them. Took about a week to break them in, 2hrs a day until now they are perfect.

I should add, the Park Service all wear Vasque up here. That says a lot.
 
I've had numerous pairs of Rockys and am not satisfied. Crappy soles and nonexistent customer/warranty service. However, every pair but one felt comfortable from day one.
 
If you are used to good hiking boots I would be tempted to stay with that type of boot. I have a pair of 10 year old Asolo's that have been great. Stumbled onto a pair of Lowa's last spring at a great price and they will replace my Asolo's this fall. Have heard great things about the Mendel boots sold at Cabelas as well as the LL Bean Cresta boots but have no first hand knowledge.
Danner makes some great boots made in the USA as well as some average boots that are imported. Had a pair for 15 years that I could not wear out. After I turned 40 my shoe size gradually increased from 10 1/2 to 11 1/2 and I gave them to a kid who needed a pair of hunting boots because they no longer fit me.
 
I'll vote for Rocky Boots & you couldn't give me another pair of Danners at gun point. Vasque boots are great, but spendy.
 
dogbonz- the last danners i had didn't make it thru one year. i know i am hard on stuff, but not so hard that a few hundred bucks shelled out in the name of boots shouldn't last longer than a few months. the danners made it through antelope season ok, but after the first deer season they were trashed. they never even made it to rifle deer or elk season... anyway, you asked why, and that's my reason. and, yeah, i'm pretty bitter about the whole deal.
 
dogbonz- the last danners i had didn't make it thru one year. i know i am hard on stuff, but not so hard that a few hundred bucks shelled out in the name of boots shouldn't last longer than a few months. the danners made it through antelope season ok, but after the first deer season they were trashed. they never even made it to rifle deer or elk season... anyway, you asked why, and that's my reason. and, yeah, i'm pretty bitter about the whole deal

Dakotasin,

When did you purchase those boots? I've walked through streams, up and down mountains, through ice & snow, mud and who knows what else over the last 10 years hunting with them and the most I've had to do was to replace a brass eyelet. I was a bit surprised at the problem you had with them. Perhaps Danner's quality control has deteriorated since I got mine.
 
I have a pair of altama GI boots for the warmer weather - once winter hits I broke down and bought a pair of Cabala's 800gm thinsulates - cant tell you much more - Cabelas brand boots... so far they have held up well hiking up and down the mountain in NYS winters - keep my feets warm and most of all DRY! What ever boot you get - GOOD SOCKS are the key to keeping warm though.
 
Dakotasin...

Which model did you have? I have heard mixed reviews of Danner's boots, but I have never heard anyone complain about the Ft. Lewis Boot. Their Chinese made stuff is crap from what I hear, but I have had nothing but good experience with their USA made boots. The only complaint that I ever heard about the Ft Lewis boot was form someone who it just did not fit right, but that was a foot to boot fitting issue, not a lack of quality, I guess that just comes from the fact that all of our feet are shaped differently.
 
I'm an old Infantryman, and I've done a lot of backpacking. I've owned many different brands of boots -- including a pair of custom-made Limmers. I also do a lot of hunting, including elk in Colorado.

Curently, I have a pair of Danners. The trick here is to get a "stitchdown model" -- these have a real welt, not vulcanized-on rubber, which no cobbler can repair.

My advice is to get oversize boots -- on a long hike, your feet will swell, and it's really disheartening to wake up 20 miles from civilization and realize you can no longer get your boots on, even without socks. Fit your boots wearing at least two pairs of good, thick socks (and a pair of liner socks, too.)

There is a difference between hiking and hunting boots. Hikers work. They generate a lot of body heat. Except for the most extreme conditions, they don't need insulated boots.

Hunters sit. When they move, they move sloooowly. Boots that would be comfortable while hiking will be agony when sitting in cold weather. My advice is to get Thinsulate <tm> "booties" and buy your boots big enough for them. That way, by switching socks for booties, you have both hiking and hunting in the same boot.

And take care of your boots. They can be the only thing between you and a long, agonizing hobble out of the wilderness.
 
Your repair is hte best deal going...

If you must buy new, I would suggest Red Wing or Irish Setter. Irish setter also produces some boots out of kangaroo.

FWIW, I own 3 pair of Red Wings.
 
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