BP-Illinois Law stuff

[BigEric]

Having gotten my father, who lives in Northern Wisconsin, excited about BP, so on a small trip earlier this week from the windy city area I stopped off at a Gander Mountain north of Milwaukee to get him some supplies. Lo and behold they had a nice .44 cal BP revolver. Ah, no waiting period in Wi so I proceed to see about a purchase. Turns out that because I am from Illinois they must follow the 72 hour waiting period.
Now, I have never purchased a BP gun in Illinois as our BP stuff is all of one gun inherited. So I bow out of the purchase and move on my way.
Back on the interstate I start thinking how it does not make sense and call the next Gander Mtn. on the way north, in Green Bay, and query the holding for Illinois residents. The salesman did not know why the previous store did not sell to me and I stated he was an hour away from a sale.
Upon my arrival they were friendly, outgoing and still slightly confused about the previous stores policy, but that didn't stop the sale.
Now, just prior to ringing me up he did call the DNR, which did not have an answer, and the ATF, which also did not see a problem with it.

Now I am the owner of a .44 bp revolver that is an absolute blast to shoot. Can't load it up with as much propellant as the other "pirate gun" (I like to call it), but still a blast.

Anyway, just wanted to share my little Wisconsin jaunt and the love of flipping my favorite finger to Illinois.

BigEric

 

[eclarsen]

It isn't uncommon to run into sales people that have differing "understanding" of firearm/ammo/BP sales.

Sometimes it makes for really funny stories.

congrats on your new revolver.

another northern Illynoise Erics

 

[4xfourfun]

Boy those laws get confusing.......

Here are some FAQ's from the Illinois State Police website:

Q : Do I need a valid FOID card for a muzzleloader or blackpowder gun?
A : Yes. In Illinois, muzzleloaders and blackpowder guns are considered firearms.

Q : Does Illinois have a waiting period for firearm purchases and does it apply to private sales?
A : Yes. Illinois law requires withholding the delivery of a concealable weapon (i.e. a handgun) for at least 72 hours and a rifle, shotgun, or other long gun for at least 24 hours. This applies for gun dealers and private sales.

There are so many rules I get tired of trying to sort them out. I've heard the ATF has a law stating that if you are going to purchase a firearm out of your state it has to be transferred to a FFL within your state and then of course you have to follow all of Illinois laws before you can pick it up from them. Has anyone sle heard that?

If you have a couple of weeks and enjoy reading you should check into the Illinois State Police and ATF website and read up on all the great laws/restrictions....have fun!

As far as the DNR, normally when you call you are just talking to someone taking messages or hanging out at a desk. I wouldn't trust anything they said, always check with ISP. They are the ones that could take you to jail and revoke your FOID. I would hate to loose all my gun ownership privileges over a he-said/she-said conversation.

 

[scrat]

Wow i thought ca was bad.

 

[Old Fuff]

It is true if you buy a firearm outside the state where you reside, it has to be delivered through an FFL holder inside your home state. (1968 GCA).

However under the 1968 GCA, black powder guns that do not use self-contained metallic cartridges (antique or replica) are not considered to be firearms. This being the case, an Illinois resident could buy a cap & ball revolver outside of his state of residence, but he couldn't take it back home. Since the gun remained in Wisconsin, where it is not illegal, you're good to go.

 

[scrat]

Hey Old Fuff. Havent seen you around lately. Good afternoon

 

[4xfourfun]

Actually he never said the gun stayed in Wisconsin, but we will assume he bought it and left it at his fathers for safe keeping.

I've ran into several IL residents along the way who told me the ATF rules on guns, I don't think they realize that the ATF made the general rules and then you had to check with your state laws and abide by them also, as different as they may be.

Illinois gun laws do suck, and I doubt they will ever get better! I sure wish we had concealed carry.

 

[Old Fuff]

Hey Old Fuff. Havent seen you around lately. Good afternoon

It's a foggy morning...

The Old Fuff has been on the road, and is now in a cabin with an old Gateway that runs at the breathtaking speed of 28.4 Kbps, but only on a good day. This, and other matters have cut into my High Road time, but the forum doesn't seem to have suffered.

 

[scrat]

Well its good to hear from you

 

[1858rem]

'bout laws... why wont some states let you hunt with a bp revolver? non cartridge anyhow? they have the power, within reasonable distance, i think they should just do like they do for the rifles and say long as its 40 caliber and up you can hunt with it.

 

[Smokin_Gun]

Welcome Back Old Fluff. Missed seein' ya in here...

SG

 

[mykeal]

why wont some states let you hunt with a bp revolver? non cartridge anyhow? they have the power, within reasonable distance,

Bacause some people don't have the same understanding of 'within reasonable distance' that you do. And laws (or regulations, in this case) are written to control the ones who don't have the ability or inclination to use 'reasonable' when stomping about the underbrush. Everybody thinks they're Elmer Keith.

 

[1858rem]

they should have courses or training of some sort so once you pass, you would be allowed to hunt with bp pistols. so long as you stay within 25 yd with a full load of powder... at least 35g anyhow... you will have the power, after that it is just your confidence in your accuracy and weather you can make a clean kill, wish it could be simpler so EVERYONE would understand

 

[BigEric]

As to where the pistol currently resides...oops, computer acting upl..asdk2349*&&& *&$%^