Bump Stocks Banned

[Tommygunn]

I heard that the Trump administration has now banned bump stocks. When this goes into the registry, owners have 90 days to dispose/turn them in.
I heard this on the top of hour radio news brief just before Rush Limbaugh starts, so, sorry, no url to post.

 

[DeepSouth]

First article I found

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics...le-banning-bump-stocks-year/story?id=59884493

 

[alfsauve]

The Vegas Shooting was mentioned, but I haven't seen a lot of details released. Which guns were actually fired and if the one(s) with bump stocks were fired, was the bump stock method actually employed by the shooter.

 

[chicharrones]

I saw this article this morning about it.

https://apnews.com/6c1af80fb290472c89fb930e223505af

 

[DeepSouth]

The new regulations, which were signed by acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker, will take effect 90 days after being published in the Federal Register. A Justice Department official said that would likely happen Friday.

Current bump stock owners will have the 90 days before the new rule takes effect to either destroy the devices they own or turn them in to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

From a different article

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/18/6777...cks-devices-used-in-deadly-las-vegas-shooting

 

[badkarmamib]

The Vega Shooting was mentioned, but I haven't seen a lot of details released. Which guns were actually fired and if the one(s) with bump stocks were fired, was the bump stock method actually employed by the shooter.

Those are facts, facts have no place in the discussion. Dredging up bad memories is the way to further the agenda. [/sarcasm]

.gov is supposedly all set to argue any lawsuits brought as a result of the ban, per my local news station.

 

[rbernie]

I'm curious - has there been another case in recent history in which the US government retroactively declared a previously-legal object to be illegal and ordered its destruction / confiscation / turn-in?

 

[dean.boschert]

I'm curious - has there been another case in recent history in which the US government retroactively declared a previously-legal object to be illegal and ordered its destruction / confiscation / turn-in?

Prohibition....that made the gangsters very wealthy

 

[Zerodefect]

I'm OK with this. Pretty much giving up nothing. Is there anything else hidden in the bill? These seemed like an NFA item from the get go. Pistol braces on AR's for people with 2 perfectly functional arms, are likely next to go. Or binary, auto response triggers. That's poking the bear as well.

That doesn't mean I think that NFA should exist. But it does, and these things barely skirt by on a technicality.

Hopefully suppressors get removed from NFA so we can shoot without noise pollution ruining our cities, and scaring the sheep. Those should have never been NFA, and it makes no sense why they're there. I can shoot 2-3 times in any city at full volume. Nobody will call the cops or anything.

 

[badkarmamib]

Those should have never been NFA, and it makes no sense why they're there.

So, suppressors should be legal for all, but the difference between a 16" barrel and a 15.9" barrel should be a felony? All of the NFA is an infringement...

 

[Zerodefect]

I agree, but the NFA is there. And we have to deal with it, or be outlaws ( I get to wear a black hat).

I have no idea why there is a length limit on carbines. My pistol works just as well. There's plenty in there that makes no sense.

 

[Sergei Mosin]

It's not a bill, it's a rule by which ATF interprets the law.

Some types of bump stocks were classified as machine guns several years ago. This classifies them all as machine guns. I think ATF's interpretation of the law is correct (the law itself is a separate issue) - bump stocks are a way of bypassing the restrictions on machine guns and should be classified as machine guns under current law.

 

[DeepSouth]

I'm OK with this. Pretty much giving up nothing. Is there anything else hidden in the bill? These seemed like an NFA item from the get go. Pistol braces on AR's for people with 2 perfectly functional arms, are likely next to go. Or binary, auto response triggers. That's poking the bear as well.

We have a right today that want have in 90ish days, I have a problem with that...

 

[Zerodefect]

Technically, you still have a right to them. You just have to pay the NFA fee, and jump through hoops like the rest of us, now.

 

[DeepSouth]

Do you people not realized that hundreds of guns can be described as violating the spirt of the law, or bypassing the restrictions, or how ever you want to put it. When you people start letting the gov decide what the law should mean instead of what it LITERALLY SAYS that is a very, very dangerous path.

What’s next
Pistol braces
Mossberg shockwaves
Taurus judges
Most semi auto rifles made in Cali in the last 20 years?


I guess we’ll have to let next lot of antigun politicians to take control to find out.... good job!


The question we ask ask anti gunners al the time is “why shouldn’t I as a law abiding citizen have the right to own a gun?”
That’s my question for you all...why should I as a law abiding citizen LOOSE the right to own a bump stock?”

 

[badkarmamib]

I agree that maybe they shouldn't have been allowed, under the spirit of the law (like it or not), in the first place. But, the fact is, they were allowed. People bought them. And now, the same people are being told that what they bought legally, with their own hard-earned dollars, either now has to be destroyed without compensation, or they are guilty of a felony. THAT is what I have a problem with. If ATF wants to say they made a mistake allowing them in the first place, then they should pay the penalty, not law-abiding citizens that bought them in good faith.

ETA: And, for the record, I have never owned or even tried one. I had/have no use for one. So, I am not crying to keep mine. My gripe is the way the situation is being handled.

 

[Sergei Mosin]

Technically, you still have a right to them. You just have to pay the NFA fee, and jump through hoops like the rest of us, now.

They aren't NFA items. They're machine guns. No new machine guns are allowed under current law, so the bump stocks are illegal.

Concur w/the post above - ATF's inconsistency on this issue is problematic and will no doubt be a focus of litigation.

Here is the notice in the Federal Register: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/03/29/2018-06292/bump-stock-type-devices

 

[Spats McGee]

I'm curious - has there been another case in recent history in which the US government retroactively declared a previously-legal object to be illegal and ordered its destruction / confiscation / turn-in?

You're going to have to define "recent history" a little better. Literally every single thing, the possession of which is illegal or regulated, was at one time legal for anybody and everybody to possess. Some examples:

1. Machine guns;
2. Warships;
3. Cocaine;
4. Marijuana.

 

[morcey2]

Prohibition....that made the gangsters very wealthy

My understanding with prohibition is that you could keep any alcohol that you already owned, but was a ban on the production, importation, sale, and transportation of alcohol. Many people who had well-stocked wine cellars continued to have nice dinner parties with completely legal adult beverages. Congress and the White House had really nice stashes that they were able to dip into when they wanted.

Matt

 

[Tag]

We really do need to get silencers out of NFA. No reason for them to be regulated like that.

 

[Odd Job]

Wasn't there a ban on internet cafes in Florida?

 

[CLP]

Technically, you still have a right to them. You just have to pay the NFA fee, and jump through hoops like the rest of us, now.

No guy- that's not how it works. They're not reopening the registry. They're outlawed 90 days hence. No grandfathering, no registry, just banned. Many otherwise law-abiding people will be felons overnight.

 

[Zerodefect]

Forgot about that. Thanks. Oh well. My 0 bumpstocks, still total 0. Darn.

 

[Robert]

I don't like and have no use for something so I'm ok with it being banned... Who's side are you on?

 

[Trey Veston]

Buddy at work has a couple. He says he's keeping his no matter the consequences.

I know of a guy on another forum that went out and invested a few grand in bump stocks in anticipation of the values skyrocketing.

Sucks to be him...