Bump Stocks not being turned in.

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it was about 40/50 respectively arguing that they didn't care either way if they were banned or they wanted them banned.
As far as bump-stock themselves are concerned, I don't care about them. I think they are a stupid toy and I would not take one if you gave it to me for free even before the ban.

On the other hand, I care a LOT about the BAN. First off, it has no basis in law. A bump-stock is not a machine gun and the laws regarding machine guns do not cover it. The ATF already made a ruling to this effect. The president in effect ordered ATF to make them illegal with no basis in the law. Second, as other have said, it does not take a bump-stock to "bump fire" a semiautomatic rifle. This gross misinterpretation of the law leaves open the door for mis-classifying all semiautomatic firearms as "machine guns" depending on the whims of the POTUS current and the political leanings of the court system.
 
The war is lost for bump stocks as far as I'm concerned. SCOTUS does not seem interested in taking the case, the president of the U.S. and the majority of Americans agree with the ban, many gun owners who don't own one and who think it's a stupid invention are okay with the ban, the NRA is okay with the ban, etc... The fat lady has song on this one.
The "war" is not for bump stocks. The war is for the right of the people to be free.
 
The threat is the precedent of the action. The correct solution would have been for the President to ask Congress to examine the issue and propose appropriate legislation. That legislation may or may not have been constitutional.

Another president or this one (not a true believer) could easily come up with a rationale for the banning of higher capacity magazines and have ATF enforce it. Weapon of mass destruction, public health menace, something could be found. I wouldn't trust the courts or Congress to undo such an action.

As I said before noncompliance makes them useless as you can't hunt, compete or use them in self-defense. So you hid them, so what. Isn't like pot or alcohol or the past illegal sex acts that you could use in your own home with discretion but some risk. Going to shoot up the basement?
 
Florida banned bump-stocks a year before the feds did, I have not seen any evidence of folks going down to the police office to turn them over.
 
Florida banned bump-stocks a year before the feds did, I have not seen any evidence of folks going down to the police office to turn them over.
Could be destroyed, or sold out of state online, or hidden... I honestly think most are holding off from destroying theirs in hopes something will change. If I owned one, I'd just destroy it rather than waste time traveling to having someone else do it.
 
I think only foolish people will keep their bump stock / stocks. The first one to be caught with one will be the test case and probably live to regret that decision. I suspect if a bump stock owner puts it in a box on a shelf that person will probably never be found out, but what that is is a potential problem waiting to find you.
 
Please remember, the lawsuits(s) on this issue still continue. Just the possession of said item is lost. Either owners turned them in or destroyed them. That's if they wanted to be 100% kosher pending outcome.

All is not lost yet and yes the bigger picture is in fact, applying this methodology to render a decision 5 years, 10 years from now on another facet of lawful 2A items and their ownership.
 
First off, it has no basis in law. A bump-stock is not a machine gun and the laws regarding machine guns do not cover it.

Laws can be changed.(And in the case of bump stocks, maybe it should have been a re-write of the definition of just what a machine gun is instead of the unilateral decision that is being used to ban them).
 
Laws can be changed.(And in the case of bump stocks, maybe it should have been a re-write of the definition of just what a machine gun is instead of the unilateral decision that is being used to ban them).
Yes, laws can be changed and it this case if the President and Congress agreed that bump stocks should be banned, they should have been.

Of course the problem with that is that the examples of bump stock banning legislation to date have been so hazy as to, again, open the door to expanding the ban beyond bump stocks themselves to anything the government could argue would "speed up" the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle (better trigger? Bolt mods? Oiling your rifle?).
 
Was there any more than the one LasVegas shooting that used bump-stocks?
Seems reasonable to ban the thing LEAST used in crime.
 
Yes, laws can be changed and it this case if the President and Congress agreed that bump stocks should be banned, they should have been.

Of course the problem with that is that the examples of bump stock banning legislation to date have been so hazy as to, again, open the door to expanding the ban beyond bump stocks themselves to anything the government could argue would "speed up" the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle (better trigger? Bolt mods? Oiling your rifle?).

They tried that with the "Gunsmithing" legislation,(forget what it was called) anything that altered the performance of gun or some such nonsense
 
Seems most folks think Bumpstocks are worthless. I have no use for them but the issue is what is the difference between them and a mag with more than 10 rounds? Binary Triggers, short barrel rifle, Shoulder brace. suppressors.Imported AKs? How many USA parts are needed? Where does it end?

Those who break the law are gonna break it. Why have a bumpstock if they can illegally have a Full auto?

The door is now open.

"Every time there is a shooting spree, they want to take the guns from those who didn't do it"
 
I really doubt the guys who bought them have destroyed or turned them in either. To me theyre a childish toy to begin with and the mentality that led to the purchase in the first place still drives the owners of them to think its ok to ignore the law. As much as i think theyre a goofy and inefficient toy for guys who like to shoot as fast as possible without caring if they hit anything, i dont believe any gun restrictions are constitutional. Im of the opinion that if a citizen can not be trusted with a firearm then they should not be free to roam the streets. A bump stock will never make someone a killer and limiting their access to weapons will not keep someone from doing evil deeds. I think there are millions of bump stocks in the country and nothing short of an act of god could round them all up.
 
One of the facts about "our" (pro-gun) culture, is a strong adherence to individualism, self reliance, and eschewing government in all matters. That group pretty much ignores the laws as is, as a matter of just not caring what "the gub'mint" says.

There's been plenty of teeth gnashing in the NE over the fact that various weapons have not been registered per/despite the recent draconian laws. Having outlawed various semi-autos, many of the State are only showing about 1/3 compliance with the new laws.

And, of course, that's just a guess, probably not even quantifiable as even an "estimate." For my 2¢, I'd wager the actual compliance is closer to what was seen in Canada, which was less than 5% compliance, and was so obvious, the Canadians rescinded the laws.

There are rumblings in California that non-compliance is starting to be pretty obvious there, too.

And, the dichotomy remains--either comply, and be "legal," or don't and be subject to legal proceedings.
 
''We still don't actually know that any were uses in LV. All we have is press speculation and hearsay. LVMetro has been mute on what was collected on scene. Rare for LVM.''

Yes correct. However what IS known, when this was presented in the initial (FPC?) lawsuit stay, the .gov attorney had to admit that there was no evidence the evil item was in fact, used.

And so in court it has been agreed on by both parties that said item was not in fact used, based on the common language traditionally used in court; facts. Should all be over right there and seeing it was not lends itself to the political aspects of it all; just who is whispering in who's ear(s)?
 
We still don't actually know that any were uses in LV. All we have is press speculation and hearsay. LVMetro has been mute on what was collected on scene. Rare for LVM.

No LEO may have published a statement saying the Mandalay shooter used bumpstocks, but after hearing and seeing the video, is it really logical to believe he did not? If he did not, were automatic weapons used?
My brother in law is an ex Army Pathfinder Ranger and he stated the gunfire sounded like an AK-47 to him ------ the real kind, not the neutered WASR-10 type we buy at a gun store.
I get the difference between belief and knowledge, but IMHO, Occam's Razor suggests he used bumpstock equipped AR rifles, as such were found in the room he used.

I think that to suggest otherwise is neither helpful or fruitful. In the face of antigunners it will be counter-productive.
 
IMHO, Occam's Razor suggests
I'm not entirely sure that applies, as Occam presumes a single, generally stable, data set.
Which does not exist in this case.

Instead, we have a narrative, mostly ginned up by collating the varying (and sometimes widely divergent) news stories. That narrative goes, a nutjob, with some sort of evil gun went and shot up a crowd.

We have hearsay about a cache of weapons, but the description of those are by people who can't tell the difference between an S&W snubbie and an Ak-47. There are just too many gaps and guesses and contradictory "eyewitness" accounts to amount to much more detail than "nut case shot at crowd from hotel."

From the audio, that sounded like an RPD, particularly with belt drag from being shot w/o an AG. That's just my opinion, and does not even equal 2¢.

However, everything beyond nutjob shoots into crowd from hotel is speculative at this point.
 
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