Bump Stocks not being turned in.

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Depending on where you are, you're already considered an undocumented criminal anyways,

Huh?

so what's one more thing to add to the list of possible charges.

This one thing requires law abiding citizens to surrender or destroy legally acquired personal property or become a felon by default.

 

[GEM]

Oh, wow, my bump stock? Daaang officer, I sold that a year ago at a gun show to some guy. Or was it two years ago? Managed to get $150 cash for it though! He was about 5'10", brown eyes, brown hair, 200lbs. Dont remember his name, but I think it was Smith?"

So if you did remember whom you sold it to, would you tell the officer? Would you give a correct description? If you correctly remembered when you did sell it, would you tell the truth?
If you still had it, would you say this?

I read the post as being untruthful. Call it as I see it. If that's rude - I see that response as being defensive.

 

[sota]

Huh?


This one thing requires law abiding citizens to surrender or destroy legally acquired personal property or become a felon by default.

My words were precisely chosen. I'll assume; given your listed location, the concept hasn't ever occurred to you, but there are places in this country where firearms ownership is at your peril, and are explicitly listed as illegal except by exception.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

My words were precisely chosen. I'll assume; given your listed location, the concept hasn't ever occurred to you, but there are places in this country where firearms ownership is at your peril, and are explicitly listed as illegal except by exception.

In Iowa and the vast majority of the country "undocumented criminal" refers to illegal aliens, not those in violation of state or local firearm laws.

 

[pdsmith505]

So if you did remember whom you sold it to, would you tell the officer? Would you give a correct description? If you correctly remembered when you did sell it, would you tell the truth?
If you still had it, would you say this?

I read the post as being untruthful. Call it as I see it. If that's rude - I see that response as being defensive.

To put it bluntly, if that's how you saw it, you need new glasses. Words mean things and I said exactly what I meant.

Why wouldn't I tell them the truth? Certainly have no reason to lie to them.

But, again, I have no reason to keep track of that information, so I don't. I imagine plenty of other people don't either. That was rather the point of my comment, which was in response to

If ATF had the funding - and the staffing - it would become a trivial matter to go seize the records of each bump-stock manufacturer and then go visit each of the customers to ensure they either "disabled" theirs or transferred it to someone who had.

It most certainly would not be trivial. The odds of getting anything more than a generic description of the average gun owner from someone who sold an unregulated item over a year ago are slim at best, even from someone willing to cooperate.

Then there is the roadblock of the people who aren't willing to cooperate. "I dont have it anymore, have a nice day," would break the chain of possession just as surely as the guy who cant recall.

Neither of which fall under your poor assumptions.

I might suggest that saying you would lie or be less than truthful to law enforcement is not the best thing to say on the Internet. If you get in trouble, it will be found. So lay off the virtue posturing about trips to the lake, burying, etc.

This is "The High Road," not "The High Horse," so get off yours and find someone else to call a liar, cause it sure ain't me.

 

[Jack B.]

Boy this sure got off track from my original post.

 

[GEM]

You are correct. Despite my involvement in the uproar - I'll forgo more comments and thus shut this one down.