Burris Fullfield E1

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I am searching for a scope for my CZ 527, and would like to see if anyone has experience with the Fullfield E1. The specs on the E1 4.5-14x seem great, but I have not had any luck putting my hands on one to look through locally.

Other scopes that are under consideration are the Vortex Diamondback 4-12x and the Nikon Prostaff 4-12x. I really want to like the Diamondback, but for some reason I struggle with focus through it. I really like the Prostaff glass, but it is 2 inches longer than the other options, and I would like to stay shorter to be in proportion to the small rifle.

Any thoughts or experiences any of you have with the E1 would be appreciated.
 
I upgraded my M700 .30/06 from a Wal-Mart Tasco to the Burris Fullfield E1 3-9X40 when Cabela's had the standard plex reticle for 1/2 off. It is a WORLD of difference. Looking through other scopes, I can't find one with as nice of glass for what I paid for it. I am also a fan of Vortex, I only have experience with their red dots, but they tend to be heavier than other offerings.
 
I don't have the E1, but I have some Fullfield II 4.5-14x44s. If the E1 is as good as the FF II, it's outstanding for the money, and outstanding in general, IME. Here's something I posted a while back about my comparison of the FF II.

I've compared this Burris very carefully to some of my other scopes in the $400-$450 street-price range. I've done this comparison multiple times using an optical resolution chart and "grading" each scope on clarity/resolution and just "pleasant to sight through" which include eyebox size, tendency to "wink out" and the like. Some of the other scopes that I compared it to are of different magnification ranges, so I conducted the comparisons within the common ranges (for example, comparing against a 3-9x, I'd use only the 4.5-9x range on both scopes). Here are some of the other scopes I've compared with the Burris.

Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x44 (I love this scope, much prefer the side focus vs. A/O, but the Burris is at least as good, probably has a minor advantage in optical quality and lack of parallax error)
Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44 (very similar to the Burris optically, but the Burris wins out by a very small margin)
Weaver V-24 (similar to the Burris optically, but the Burris wins by a small margin)
Sightron SII 6-24x42 (very similar to the Burris optically, but the Burris wins out by a very small margin)
Sightron SII 3-9x42 (Burris wins, not close)
Redfield Revolution 3-9x40 (Burris wins, not close)
Weaver RV-9 3-9x32 (Burris wins, not close)
Burris 4.5-14x32 (Burris 42mm version is bigger, clearer, and lacks the parallax error that the 32mm suffers from)
Weaver V-9 El Paso (this scope performed surprisingly well despite the age -- better than the Sightron and Redfilel 3-9x models, but not in the league with the Burris)
 
Per my question to Burris, the E1 designation refers to nicer glass over the Fullfield2, other than that, they are essentially the same. So, if you like the Fullfield2, you will love the E1. I have the Fullfield2 on my DMR, and yes, the E1 is clearer at distance.
The FF II is A/O, and the E1 is Side Focus, so there's more difference than just the glass. All else equal, I much prefer SF over A/O, but I'd like to get my hands on an E1 to compare to the FF II for myself.
 
I have a E1 4.5 - 14 it is a fantastic scope I like it better then the vortex viper I just sold off and the diamond back is not in the same ballpark as the Burris in my opinion another plus is
Burris has a great ballistic software on their website that you can match your loads to your scope recital I just used the offering this week and it is real close to point of aim / impact at the 300 yard range I was shooting at , Vortex does not offer any Reticle Analysis, Burris has the same forever warranty too !!!
 
To my eyes the glass is the same on a regular Fullfield II and the E1, and I’ve owned both. I like them better than ProStaff, Diamondback and the two Vipers I owned way back.
 
Thanks all, those are some good comments for sure. I would really like to find one of these to look at in person since scope choice is so personal, but I am definitely leaning in this direction.
 
Thanks all, those are some good comments for sure. I would really like to find one of these to look at in person since scope choice is so personal, but I am definitely leaning in this direction.
I'm not sure what 527 you have, but here are some FFIIs on some of my 527s to give you an idea of the size. Since the E1 is Side Focus instead of A/O, it may be trimmer in the Objective area.

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Factory Custom Classic (same action and dimensions as the American)
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I'm not sure what 527 you have, but here are some FFIIs on some of my 527s to give you an idea of the size. Since the E1 is Side Focus instead of A/O, it may be trimmer in the Objective area.

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Factory Custom Classic (same action and dimensions as the American)
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That Factory Custom Classic is dreamy! What rings you got on that rig? 50mm obj? I have a 527 American that needs an optic. I have the set of CZ rings that came with the rifle but not a fan of the slotted head screws. I have another 527 Carbine in 7.62x39mm that I love.
 
That Factory Custom Classic is dreamy! What rings you got on that rig? 50mm obj? I have a 527 American that needs an optic. I have the set of CZ rings that came with the rifle but not a fan of the slotted head screws. I have another 527 Carbine in 7.62x39mm that I love.
Those are some older Leupold rings without the Leupold logo on top. That scope on all three of the guns above is the Burris Fullfield II 4.5-14x42 (42-mm Objective, of course). Here are some closer shots of the scope and rings. Sorry that the photos aren't all that good, but I hope they help.

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I think you'd really like this scope, or from what others here say, the E1 version of it if you want Side Focus. A couple of my favorite scopes to shoot with, so long as 14 - 16x is enough magnification for the task at hand, are the Burris above, and the Weaver Grand Slam 4-16x44 with Side Focus. Here's a shot of the Weaver on a CZ 452 Scout (a youth-size rifle, but the same quality as the rest of the 452 line). The Grand Slam is slightly smaller than the Burris, and a great scope in use.

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Those are some beautiful rifles, thanks for posting. I have an American M-1, currently with the synthetic stock. I am keeping my eyes open for a nice wood stock, but the synthetic stock works for now.

The objective lens does look bigger than I would have expected, but at least it makes use of the tall rings. It is sure sounding like the E1 might be the winner.
 
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you may also want to look at the 4.5-14x32 timberline.
it's got some quirks, like really long eye relief, and a tight eyebox at max power.
I really like it tho, and I've found it quite user-friendly at powers under 14, it's just right at max that it starts to dim and you need to get your eye directly behind the scope.

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I've got it I lower warnes now.
 
Yeah, that timberline is another one that I have been looking at. For some reason that photo didn't show up, maybe I am not doing something right? It would be very helpful to see the timberline on a 527! The 42mm objective almost looks out of place on a smaller rifle, although not a deal killer by any measure.

The eye relief is a bit of a concern for me. I have a long neck, and always find my self having to move the scope as far forward as possible.
 
I'm 6,2 and have to keeping as far forward as my warne rings allow. the Dip rail maybe in my guns future to get a little more distance, tho again for the most part it works fine for me.

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I'm 6,2 and have to keeping as far forward as my warne rings allow. the Dip rail maybe in my guns future to get a little more distance, tho again for the most part it works fine for me.

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I wish I could keep my scopes that forwards lol. I like that check pad. If you get the dip i have a spare set of weaver grand slam lows if you want them.
 
I wish I could keep my scopes that forwards lol
So does this guy!
and yes if anyone ever shoots with me and get scope bite, you WILL be made fun of.....for a while.... MVIMG_20190818_152412.jpg
This is also the guy who made that pad/comb riser. He does custom leatherwork, and if anyone would like something done, I'd be happy to help you get in touch with him.

I may take you up on that, I don't have any low rings right now. Honestly I wish they would make that FF2 4.5-14 as a 38 or 40mm objective....Juuuusssst a little more than the timberline. which still produces a great, bright image for the small objective.
 
I have some of the Fullfield II 4.5-14x42s and a 4.5-14x32 Timberline. The Timberline is nice and compact for it's magnification power, and pretty good optically, but definitely a class lower in optical quality when compared to the larger FF II. It's very similar to the Weaver RV-9 in optical quality.

The main thing that troubles me about the Timberline is that even when it's focused clearly at the distance of the target, it still has quite a bit of parallax error. Not a huge issue when hunting, but a little annoying if trying to shoot targets for best groups. I've been meaning to contact Burris about sending it in for a check-up, but I'd like to hear from someone else who has one whether theirs does this.
 
I haven't noticed mine doing it, but my head ends up being he same place behind the gun most times. I'll try when I get home from work in the morning and see.
That'd be great. I like the scope a lot because of the overall Burris quality and that extra 5x of magnification over a 3-9 that is essentially the same dimensions. If there's something unusual about the one I have, I'd like to trade it out for another one.

BTW, Burris' Forever Warranty is the real deal, in case someone is wondering. The first FFII that I ever owned, I bought off of a forum trading post. The seller said it was "like new" with only faint ring marks. When it arrived, it wouldn't focus clearly at any distance. I saw that the tube had been crushed by scope rings (rings had been tightened waaay too much). The damage to the tube was obviously a result of ham-fisted abuse. I sent it to Burris and asked if they would take a look and tell me how much it would cost to restore the ability to focus. A couple of weeks later a NIB one showed up in my mailbox. :)
 
So does this guy!
and yes if anyone ever shoots with me and get scope bite, you WILL be made fun of.....for a while....View attachment 856594
This is also the guy who made that pad/comb riser. He does custom leatherwork, and if anyone would like something done, I'd be happy to help you get in touch with him.

I may take you up on that, I don't have any low rings right now. Honestly I wish they would make that FF2 4.5-14 as a 38 or 40mm objective....Juuuusssst a little more than the timberline. which still produces a great, bright image for the small objective.
you should get him a eye patch to cover up that lol. He does nice work I remember that goofy hat he made.
 
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