CA DOJ roster shows ALL S&W expiring 1/1/17 ??

[old lady new shooter]

After reading an article about an employer in GA who requires all his employees to get a CC permit and then buys each one a S&W Judge, I was curious to see whether the Judge is on the CA roster. It's not, but meanwhile scrolling through the S&W entries I see they are ALL listed as expiring 1/1/2017 -- does this really mean if I want another 686 I have to buy it in 2016? (I was probably going to anyway, but... ) Or do all the guns on the list "expire" every year and have to be "renewed"? Or what is the story? I couldn't find any information on either the DOJ website or Calguns.

 

[LiveLife]

Most bigger manufactures like Glock, S&W, Colt, Sig, Springfield, RIA/Armscor, etc. renew certification for their pistols on an ongoing basis. While a few drop off the list each year, S&W should renew certification for their pistols.

I am also in the market for 686 or GP100.

Too bad Ruger decided to not renew certification for their semi-auto pistols.

I like the state but this is one of few things that really makes my morning coffee taste bitter. One of these days, I may cross the border and become an Oregonian.

 

[kscharlie]

Not trying to be snarky here, but if you are looking on the roster for "Judge", you should check Taurus, not S&W. S&W makes a "Governor" that is similar to the Taurus "Judge".

 

[Frank Ettin]

1. The listings for all guns on the roster expire 1 January each year. The larger manufacturers routinely pay the fee to renew their listings.

2. You can't get either the Judge or the Governor in Caifornia. Any handgun chambered for shotgun ammunition is, under California law, a short barrel shotgun and illegal (without a virtually impossible to obtain state dangerous weapons permit).

 

[old lady new shooter]

Not trying to be snarky here, but if you are looking on the roster for "Judge", you should check Taurus, not S&W. S&W makes a "Governor" that is similar to the Taurus "Judge".

Thanks for the correction, I thought that was how the article identified it but I'm probably mixed up.

 

[old lady new shooter]

1. The listings for all guns on the roster expire 1 January each year. The larger manufacturers routinely pay the fee to renew their listings.

2. You can't get either the Judge or the Governor in Caifornia. Any handgun chambered for shotgun ammunition is, under California law, a short barrel shotgun and illegal (without a virtually impossible to obtain state dangerous weapons permit).

Thanks for the clarification as to how the list works.

The fact that the Judge uses shotgun ammunition was exactly the reason the business owner said he picked it. Not surprising that that's also the reason California doesn't allow it. <sigh>

 

[danez71]

Too bad Ruger decided to not renew certification for their semi-auto pistols.

Ruger didn't decide not to renew... they still have he LC380 on the roster.

Ruger made some improvements that required a new submission for the roster

Unfortunately, that means the microstamping requirement is, well, required.

CA is denying it's citizens access to the safest guns because they don't meet an unobtainable requirement.

 

[LiveLife]

Ruger could have done what Glock did like with Gen3 models and kept SR9/SR40/SR45 on the roster.

CA is denying it's citizens access to the safest guns because they don't meet an unobtainable requirement.

Sad but true. Well, at least Oregon is close by ...

 

[gbran]

2. You can't get either the Judge or the Governor in Caifornia. Any handgun chambered for shotgun ammunition is, under California law, a short barrel shotgun and illegal (without a virtually impossible to obtain state dangerous weapons permit).

I know this to be true, but how is it we can buy shotshell ammo for most handgun calibers? How is this dealt with in regulations?

 

[Frank Ettin]

2. You can't get either the Judge or the Governor in Caifornia. Any handgun chambered for shotgun ammunition is, under California law, a short barrel shotgun and illegal (without a virtually impossible to obtain state dangerous weapons permit).

I know this to be true, but how is it we can buy shotshell ammo for most handgun calibers? How is this dealt with in regulations?

Maybe sometime in the uncertain future I'll decide to spend some time doing the research to come up with the answer. In the meantime, feel free to do the research and share your findings with us.

 

[old lady new shooter]

I know this to be true, but how is it we can buy shotshell ammo for most handgun calibers? How is this dealt with in regulations?

What is shotshell ammo?

 

[Quiet]

I know this to be true, but how is it we can buy shotshell ammo for most handgun calibers? How is this dealt with in regulations?

Because "shotshell" ammo for handgun calibers are not shotgun shells.

CA SBS laws specify shotgun shells, not handgun caliber "shotshells".



Penal Code 17180
As used in this part, "short-barreled shotgun" means any of the following:
(a) A firearm that is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell and has a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(b) A firearm that has an overall length of less than 26 inches and that is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(c) Any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(d) Any device that may be readily restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell which, when so restored, is a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive.
(e) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, can be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

 

[Quiet]

What is shotshell ammo?

A handgun caliber cartridge that is loaded with #9 or #12 shot.

Most common variant is produced by CCI as a pest control cartridge for use against snakes/rats/etc.

 

[old lady new shooter]

A handgun caliber cartridge that is loaded with #9 or #12 shot.

Most common variant is produced by CCI as a pest control cartridge for use against snakes/rats/etc.

Thanks.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Because "shotshell" ammo for handgun calibers are not shotgun shells....

A handgun caliber cartridge that is loaded with #9 or #12 shot....

Thank you for these excellent answers. I appreciate it.

 

[kscharlie]

What is shotshell ammo?

Here is a link to CCI ammo website that shows .38/.357 shotshell ammo and provides a description.

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?loadNo=3738

 

[old lady new shooter]

Here is a link to CCI ammo website that shows .38/.357 shotshell ammo and provides a description.

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?loadNo=3738

Thanks.

What would be something I would want to use these for?

 

[Librarian]

Rats.

 

[danez71]

Rats.

True.

And snakes.

Best bet is to let the rats and the snakes work it out themselves, if possible.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Rats.

Probably illegal to shoot them in my backyard, in the house would damage whatever was on the other side of the rat, right? Guess I'll stick to traps.

 

[Kaeto]

I handloaded a batch of shotshells for my dad to use on snakes.

 

[Spats McGee]

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/produc...px?loadNo=3738

What would be something I would want to use these for?

Rats.

Those are actually better known as "rat shot" around here.