California Carry Question

[Valkman]

Wow, so many experts!

Telperion, thanks for the info. I was all over the DOJ website and could not find anything other than mentions of "Automated Firearm System".

So these idiots know what handguns you've bought over the past few years but have no idea if you own AR's unless you volunteer the info? Nice. Of course they'll find out after you get arrested for spanking your kid and they then search your house. After reading through much of the CA DOJ website it's much worse than I thought - I am really thankful I moved to NV 3 years ago. I've bought a MG, AR and pistols all illegal in CA. I hope more of you escape this madness!

 

[SoCalShooter]

I am more of a realist than an expert but thanks for the support we are trying to change it first and if that fails we will light it on fire and run like hell.

 

[Librarian]

All handguns in CA must be registered with the DoJ

Well, no.

If you bought them in state before 1990, or if you moved here with them before 1998, you do NOT have to register them, and so long as they were not transferred through a FFL since then, they are almost certainly not registered. Your selling dealer still has the copy of the 4473, but nothing was required to go to the state for sales before 1990, or imported handguns before 1998.

The carry-concealed, legal-owner thing is a sentencing enhancement, and seems to be aimed at stolen rather than unregistered - but the letter of the law does not say that, so there are probably other applications. I am not aware of any prosecutions/enhancements under that section, but I don't track that stuff for a living.

 

[silverlance]

heh

read my pull over thread.

they KNEW i owned guns BEFORE they even knew if my car was properly insured.

heck, I could hear my name, address, and firearm status being read out loud through the cop car's computer speakers from my driver's seat!

 

[treelogger]

I don't know if the rules have changed, but the last time I bought a handgun I think 2 years ago the guy at the shop explained to me that the law says you can only register 1 handgun a month. The store was having a sale and he said that people could purchase serveral, but the would have to come back once a month to pick up one gun.

This is correct. You can buy as many long arms as you want, but you can only buy one handgun every 30 days (this is all in addition to the mandatory 10-day waiting period). Note that person-to-person transfers are not included in the 30-day rule or not, only purchases from dealers (which by its nature includes importation from out-of-state, which has to go through a FFL, while in the case of PtP transfers the FFL only assists in filling out the DROS form and holds the gun for 10 days).

BUT: There is actually an exception to the one-gun-per-30-day rule. If you have a federal 03 FFL (meaning you are licensed by the ATF as a collector of C&R firearms, which is pretty easy to do), and you have a CA DoJ CoE or Certificate of Elibility (meaning the DoJ has verified that you are eligible to buy guns, which is for example required to work in a gun store), then you can buy as many handguns as you want. Strangely, this applies to all guns, not just to C&R guns. Quite a few folks in California get their C&R 03 FFL and their CoE simply so they can buy multiple handguns quickly.

The exceptions for C&R guns go even further, some of those you can even cash-and-carry without the mandatory 10-day wait, but I'm not familiar with the details of those rules, not being interested in collecting old guns.

 

[Rumpled]

Silverlance,
From your post above, your rights and the law might have been violated.
I'm sure you're shocked by that.
I know that registered AW's cannot be mentioned over the air, it might be the same for handguns as well. They are supposed to use MDT for AW communicatioon.

 

[BADUNAME13]

I'm sure this has been answered already (Adequately)
But I found when I visited this past summer:

If the Pistol is registered to you (Like when you buy it through a FFL)
You are not a gang member
and it is your 1st offense

It is a $200 fine Misdomeaner.

NOW, local laws can still get you... this is the state.