Californians Plan Anti-Legislation Protest

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Socalshooter, there is a very good way that you can help--go to the legislation portion of www.calnra.com and use the one touch system to send emails to everyone.
 
Also something you can do is join Californians for Concealed Carry Rights on Facebook and Myspace, and get everyone you know to do the same. Links are in my sig. Here's our mission statement.
Every day politicians, celebrities, bags of cash, valuable works of art, warehouses full of goods, and important places are protected with armed guards. Why? They're valuable. So is the everyday person like you and me. We have families. We have friends. Our lives are just as valuable and equally worth protecting. The right to do so is respected and almost everywhere these days, and is even available to Californians when outside their own state. This is a basic human right.

Yet for millions of Californians this right is outrightly denied the moment they step out their doorstep near their own home.

In the vast majority of the US this right is recognized and upheld via Shall Issue policies of concealed carry license: anyone with a clean record showing they follow the law, is 21 years or older, has basic understanding of the applicable laws, and possesses basic competency in handling of firearms is given license their sidearm of choice upon their person, concealed as to conduct their lives among society without disruption of others or harassment by those of differing beliefs. California even has this right acknowledged in many counties, and in fact in the vast majority of the land area of the state. Yes, there is a such thing as a California license to carry firearms. In many areas this is well respected, yet in others you'd never know it exists at all, and some even go out of their way to make sure you never get one for yourself.

For some strange reason some areas of California has it subject to the whims of politicians who often see little in the value of rights and safety of the individual. You literally have less rights purely by being resident in the most populated areas of California. The SAME PERSON anywhere else occupying any of the Free States or in other areas somehow magically becomes judged less worthy for the mere fact of crossing an imaginary line.

The massacres of Virginia Tech, the mall in Nebraska, and NIU occurred in so called "gun free zones," meaning places where lawful possession of firearms of law abiding citizens was prohibited. The law abiding complied and were rewarded with execution. Absolutely zero was accomplished except guaranteeing their helplessness. Most states long ago realized the necessity for allowing citizens their right to self defense in public, and now are working to rectify the problems caused by exclusions to this basic right. Concealed carry by the average citizen has been a success everywhere it has been tried. Correspondingly, the lack of it has clearly been proven to achieve the opposite. California by its questionable "may issue" system has, for the vast majority of the population, become the country's largest "gun free zone." As a result people are free targets for all manner of violent crime because of it. More restrictions on gun ownership, particularly that which may be carried and the act of carrying them are implemented...and the crime continues. Not one less crime actually ever takes place, and nobody even bothers to honestly ask why. Yet as the rest of the country has gotten wise to the problem and is fixing it, the heavily populated counties in CA and the state remain the same and are in fact moving in the opposite direction, away from what has worked everywhere else. The solution to the problem is being applied everywhere else, yet where it is needed it is completely ignored. In fact the very people who deserve the same relief, the same freedom to solve their own problems are the very people to whom the proven solution is being denied.

In short, if you live in the heavily populated counties of California, you are being punished for living there--just because misguided politicians and policemen who are supposed to care for your safety suggest doing so by implementing policies which insure the opposite. Laws, laws, and more laws, yet none of the "promised" results. Those who trumpet the cause of firearms restriction in the name of safety are charlatans. Rather than being demanded to account for their results, they are instead given free rein to sacrifice other people to their flawed, feelgood based policies in spite of what results virtually everwhere else have shown.

This group's purpose is to demand, quite simply, the same right to defend ourselves in California as is afforded to citizens in the vast majority of the rest of the US. There is absolutely no reason to obstruct or exclude any citizen's right to carry who is otherwise accepted in 40 out of the 50 states. Those who have license to do so in other states should have their rights honored here as well.

The Second Amendment is not optional, discretionary, or subject to arbitrary whims. To defend oneself is not only a right, it is a fundamental responsibility.
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Who needs to join?

Anyone who has moved from another state and now has less rights than they had--for the "crime" of moving to California.

If you have out of state permits that are valid in lots of places EXCEPT...where you live. You're actually safer 300 miles away than at your grocery store.

If you live in a county that has no issue because of sheriffs who think your rights aren't rights just because you're in their jurisdiction.

If you don't have $10,000+ to donate to a local election in exchange for the right to protect your life--and you don't find legalized bribery within your ethics.

If you don't think having an occupation that can kill you should be a requirement for the right not to be murdered.

If you'd rather not have to be robbed or raped first to be justified in defending yourself from being robbed or raped the second time.

If your last name isn't Affleck or Stallone or first name isn't preceded by "The Honorable" yet your kids still love you and want you to get home safe at night.
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This isn't about being extreme or outlandish. It's simply a demand for equal rights. Give us the same access to our rights as everywhere else. The right to go to a gas station late at night. The right to visit an ATM without being a target. The right to drive your car without fear of it being stolen with you in it. The right to not have someone else's bad decisions in life decide whether or not your family sees you that night.

There should be NO:

"Good Cause" requirement that can be rejected on a whim. We are living human beings. Human life is priceless. Our families value us more than a bag of cash or a tray of diamonds. That's good enough cause to defend ourselves wherever we may be.

No "discretion" in determining who gets to choose whether to bear arms or not. That's our job.

No ridiculous repository or waiting periods. Waiting till 21 years old, being able to pay retail price for it, and going through a standard FBI background check and ATF form 4473 is good enough for anyone everywhere else.

No exclusionary list of what a panel of bureacrats think is "acceptable" and "safe" for ordinary citizens to own while the state's designated people have no such standard. Whatever the market provides and the individual determines appropriate for them as in every other state should be available to all who can legally purchase.

No more nonsense because we somehow cross a line between two spots in the desert, one tree further south, or some rock in the middle of a river. This is the United States of America and it's about time California got the picture and started acting like it.
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Most California gun owners are not interested in protesting in person. They elect to abdicate that responsibility to someone else, most notably the NRA.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=99839


I've seen the people on Calguns put down some of the other gun rights orgs. for taking more extreme measures, and they blaim them for the Microstamping Bill that passed. I was also banned from that site for letting them know that a prominent Calguns member was also a contributor to Obama's campaign to the tune of $500. Hmm, gotta wonder why they have the laws they do huh?



CA is a lost cause, I saw the writing on the wall and got out last year. They will let the legislators run them into the ground because most are not willing to do the legwork themselves to get grassroots efforts off the ground. I moved because the activism wasn't there, they just wanted to email, fax, and phone call. Me, I wanted to be on the doorstep of the Capital building.

Here in Phoenix, we are attempting to organize a protest march against the ATF actions taken here against Cav Arms. But, with the recent actions against XCalibur, wouldn't be prudent at this time, however, it is in the works.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
I was also banned from that site
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You divulge the financial transaction of another member and got banned? What a shock. And now you're here talking them down, what a shock.

Something to remember is that CA is a very large state. It's not always easy to make the 5-8 hour drive to the state capitol which happens to be a in city that is quickly becoming a total hell hole.

I enjoy how you say that CA is a lost cause right after you ran away from the fight.

Good luck in AZ.
 
You divulge the financial transaction of another member and got banned? What a shock. And now you're here talking them down, what a shock.

Something to remember is that CA is a very large state. It's not always easy to make the 5-8 hour drive to the state capitol which happens to be a in city that is quickly becoming a total hell hole.

I enjoy how you say that CA is a lost cause right after you ran away from the fight.

Good luck in AZ.
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It was on a public site, I found the name and went :eek::eek: , Huffington Post list the names of contributors to all candidates.

I lived 6 hours from Sac. in Riverside, and I was willing to make the drive because I wanted to do something substantial. Others are not, did you read the post in the link?

Yep, call me a coward, but now I live in a state where my 2nd Amendment is barely infringed (meaning NFA toys are still available, you just gotta pay the taxes) . I also own many of the guns that were felonies to own in CA, or, that you couldn't get thru normal channels because of the Unsafe Handgun list. I express my 2nd amendment freedom daily when I CCW or Open Carry.

BTW, here's some more CA taxation without representation.

http://k53.pbase.com/g3/83/471983/2/96308234.Ei3C2QUd.jpg

Have a great non gun carryin' in CA Kenpo day

Clyde
 
I left San Francisco in '84 - I just couldn't take it anymore. The town was overrun by gays, liberal zealots and charlatans. Most blue collar jobs and many white collar jobs were lost to the 'restructuring' of city economics.

After landing in Sacramento, I felt comfortable for a few years - until Gray Davis was elected! Thank goodness the recall succeded! But we were left with the 'governator'. A classic wolf in sheeps clothing. I had to get out. I kept visualizing Ah-nold, Pelosi and Boxer coming for my guns! Left 4 years ago.

I'm with KP, call me a coward if you want, but CA is gone... and so am I.
There is no hope in restoring the Golden State to it's former glory. I miss the weather and my friends, but that's about it.
 
CA is a lost cause, I saw the writing on the wall and got out last year. They will let the legislators run them into the ground because most are not willing to do the legwork themselves to get grassroots efforts off the ground. I moved because the activism wasn't there, they just wanted to email, fax, and phone call. Me, I wanted to be on the doorstep of the Capital building.
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Yep, call me a coward
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O.K., I'll take it back... right after you post a link to One grass roots effort YOU started. Show me where YOU organized a protest. Show me that link and I'll apologize.

I don't think leaving CA is such a bad thing, but if the only reason you leave is because of the gun laws and then you mock others for the way they fight while you yourself ran, well, you know what that makes you.

The OP sent his support, others mock us. The OP is a small part of the solution, the others....
 
Too Bad simultaneous protests couldn't be pulled off in San Diego, LA,San Fran, and Sacramento at the same time and garner some media attention...

Or could they?? :)
 
I believe they could, it would just take some serious organization and commitment.

If freaking illegals can march in L.A. protest for illegal rights they've done nothing to earn, than I think we should upset traffic, block doors, impede progress to protest our state taking away our constitutional rights.

As I think about it, our thing could be this.

We block the entrances to doorways of elected officials offices. We make them call police, but when the police get there, right before they are going to arrest us, we move stating "We actually obey the law, unlike the criminals that will ignore the law you are proposing".
 
We already know that *most* CA gun owners aren't interested in really interested in fighting for their rights. If they were, there'd be politicians hanging from lampposts.

It's as simple as that. Force will be required in California and the gun owning population is not interested in paying the blood price.
 
We already know that *most* CA gun owners aren't interested in really interested in fighting for their rights. If they were, there'd be politicians hanging from lampposts.

It's as simple as that. Force will be required in California and the gun owning population is not interested in paying the blood price.
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***??? Unlike where? In what other state has blood been flowing in the streets in the name of 2A lately?
 
I guess you missed the words "will be required" in the post.

Never mind the changes at the Federal level that will be required to limit state action. Hopefully, we'll see the incorporation of the 2nd Amendment into the 14th Amendment with Heller. Such a ruling will eliminate many California gun laws. However, the decision still needs to be enforced...I don't see CA politicians giving up their laws easily.
 
O.K., I'll take it back... right after you post a link to One grass roots effort YOU started. Show me where YOU organized a protest. Show me that link and I'll apologize.
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I'm not searching through all my posts where I suggested such a thing, you're welcome to. Besides, I was also attempting to do such things off the internet, like gunstores, where the FFL had too much to lose if they took part. DOJ BOF has everyone so scared they refuse to take action.

I don't think leaving CA is such a bad thing, but if the only reason you leave is because of the gun laws and then you mock others for the way they fight while you yourself ran, well, you know what that makes you.
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Gun laws were not the only reason, the ILLEGAL alien problem, legislators gone wild with ridiculous laws to control and inhibit citizens in every action, LEOs gone wild with no knock warrants and traffic stops that yield arrests for legal guns, etc., etc. ad nauseum. I mean c'mon, when they make it ILLEGAL to put a fireplace in your new house or attempt to pass laws so the gov. can regulate your thermostat? Yea, someplace I wanted to stay :what:

Oh, and thanks to CA we have Feinstein, Boxer, and Pelosi in the Fed gov. mucking things up there for the rest of us.

Have a great non gun carryin' CA Kenpo day

Clyde
 
Oh, and thanks to CA we have Feinstein, Boxer, and Pelosi in the Fed gov. mucking things up there for the rest of us.
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What rest of us? Did you not say you used to live here? You were a Californian. Didn't you vote?

Thanks to the MAJORITY of Californians we have....

Don't go painting all of us with the same brush and don't go criticizing the way we fight since you took yourself out of the fight.
 
What rest of us? Did you not say you used to live here? You were a Californian. Didn't you vote?

Thanks to the MAJORITY of Californians we have....

Don't go painting all of us with the same brush and don't go criticizing the way we fight since you took yourself out of the fight.
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I got outvoted, and I never voted for any of the above listed. After Prop 187 got shot down in court, there really wasn't a reason to vote anymore. We got it on the ballot, got it passed by a landslide, then had some federal judge, appointed by a liberal, legislate it from the bench and shot it down.

What fight? There isn't a fight there, it's do as I say or go to jail, too bad how sad. Have you seen the insane laws that are in the legislation right now? Biometric guns, ammunition restrictions, the micro stamping bill Ahhhnnnuuuld signed last year, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Yea, call me crazy for leaving to visit sanity?:banghead:

Have a great non gun carryin' CA Kenpo day

Clyde
 
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I truly loved California for many years...it's undoubtedly one of the most beautiful states, with many different types of scenery...we always had pheasant, ducks, geese, abalone, venison in the freezer, We camped a lot, hiked the High Country, watched the sea lions on the beaches near Hearst Castle, had favorite restaurants from one end of the state to the other. We lived in the San Francisco area, and never got tired of any of it.

And then, society began going crazy. They thought the electrical utilities were charging too much, so they put a cap on charges without any relation to cost! Incredibly stupid. New power plants couldn't be built, and nothing was done until the power companies essentially went out of business due to losses. The indigent had free rein to do what they wanted in San Francisco, demanding handouts. Due to smog in the LA City basin, California passed gasoline refining requirements that essentially raised the cost of gasoline up to 50 cents higher than the rest of the nation. And then came Feinstein...and Pelosi...and Boxer...and they kept being reelected!

And the assault weapons ban, when they allowed people to regester their currently owned assault weapons, the owners thinking they were grandfathered and could keep them. Six months later the Attorny General sent the police around to confiscate them.

And the above is was just a sampling of things were were unable to do anything about...and believe me, I was active. The final straw was the Fresno City Council...Corrupt? Inept? Too deeply involved in the "Old Boy Network"? I've never quite decided...they unfairly screwed both me and my company. I'd had it...we packed a few things in a 6 x 10 enclosed trailer we bought, had local charities clean out the rest of our apartment including the kitchen ware, put a sign on the rear of the trailer "Farewell California!" and headed east.

Believe me...here in Georgia it's not as beautiful, but the air is certainly freer. There is none of the crap that we suffered in California. And I do sincerely symphasize with the people still there, and I often miss many of the things we enjoyed...but we aren't going back, except for an occasional visit. Things aren't going to change there until the normal people organize and start protesting in crowds.
 
I've seen the people on Calguns put down some of the other gun rights orgs. for taking more extreme measures, and they blaim them for the Microstamping Bill that passed.
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I completely agree. Back when Heller was first started, I tried to think of followup cases specifically for CA infringements. Calguns shot that down hard. Any other ideas I had (organizing protests, suing the state for specific 2A laws, etc) were always shut down, reason? "we need to take our time and do things one step at a time. We can't just up and protest as that would cause more harm than good." I actually remember forum members getting mad that I would even suggest a protest...

Well a lot of good has happened since I left. Microstamping, people getting arrested for grey area guns, more anti bills introduced with a high likelyhood of passing, no-knocks, raids, etc. etc.

It's a bad situation because I personally knew about 5 people there who really wanted to do something to change the state's horrible laws. Most of them have done just as I have, moved to a different state and become grossly involved in 2A - where they can actually make a difference and the rest of their 2A brothers want to do something... not just talk about SHTF and "taking it slow".

For the record, CA was a pit stop. I've lived in 9 states, and that is the only one which I will never live in again (if I even tried to visit friends with the guns I own now, I'd get about 15 felony charges).
 
We already know that *most* CA gun owners aren't interested in really interested in fighting for their rights. If they were, there'd be politicians hanging from lampposts.

It's as simple as that. Force will be required in California and the gun owning population is not interested in paying the blood price.
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What is to be done then with respect to regimes in de facto single party soft authoritarian states?

I suppose it then comes down to either fight, i.e., armed struggle or flight to a relatively free state.
 
What is to be done then with respect to regimes in de facto single party soft authoritarian states?

I suppose it then comes down to either fight, i.e., armed struggle or flight to a relatively free state.
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to summarize, Californians have several different choices:
1) get off their butts and march on the capitol
2) armed resistance (which wont do anything good)
3) leave
4) continue "business as usual" which means a lot of e-mails/faxes and no results
 
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