Can you mill a wonderfinish slide?

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I want to put a new front sight on an EAA Witness Tanfoglio in Wonderfinish. The local smith says he doesn't think he can mill the slide.

Anybody know if it is possible to mill a front dovetail in a Wonderfinish slide?
 
He can mill it if he uses a carbide end-mill to make the first cut, then cleans it up with the HSS dovetail cutter.

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My smith worked with one of my witnesses to put on different sights. His comment was that "it was the hardest steel he had ever seen or had the misfortune of working on. Don't bring it back!"

He did great work though and I believe he used carbide also.
 
Perhaps, but he better be an experienced machinist

Wonderfinish is essentially a nitride coating.

I work with nitride coatings all the time (Milling, drilling, borring, even engraving on the stuff), and I can tell you that while it is possible, it is a pain in the ass. I work with Nitride as a professional in the field of manufacturing, I make custom pistols as a hobby (I let Caspian do the menial work, though ;))

Machinists are by definition competent gunsmiths, gunsmiths are poor excuses for machinists (at least those that didn't become machinists before getting into the firearms trade). Find a gunsmith with classic machining in their past (most custom pistolsmiths might pass for a good machinist) for modifications like this.

For one this job will require special tooling, plain ol' carbide won't cut it (not acceptably, anyway), you'll need an endmill coated with TiN or TiAlN (a cousin of nitride) to survive the rough cut, and keep from breaking the tiny cutter and leaving flecks of extremely hard ceramic embedded in the steel. Cutting the dovetail will take very patient hands, and also a coated cutter.

Note that others in the thread said just using carbide to rough it out would work, and it would. The results wouldn't be pretty, however, and you have a relatively tight tolerance on the dovetail so that your sight doesn't fall off the slide all the time. Open it up too big, you just slagged a slide.

Take it to a gunshop that offers repairs, and ask to see the shop, out of curiosity. Look up Bridgeport mills, Hardinge Lathes, and CNC machinery on google. If they have fairly nice looking mills, lathes, or even some CNC machinery, have them do it for you. If all you see is a beat up mill and dingy lathe, take it somewhere else.
 
Machinists are by definition competent gunsmiths, gunsmiths are poor excuses for machinists

Funny, it has been my experience that the opposite is true. If a gunsmith ever told me he was a machinist earlier on in life, I would ask where he learned his trade..... If it was trial and error, or from videos I would never let him touch my stuff..... They (in my experience) seem to have a habit of doing lousy and unsafe work, a use the excuse "I am the gunsmith, I do not make mistakes".

An example: A "gunsmith" I know of took in some work to put a Crimson Trace on a GLOCK. It didn't fit right, so he took a dremel to the frame and then slapped black putty in the groves he made. Before it dried, he put the laser on and handed the gun to my friend... friend brought it to me and I laughed. I showed him my GLOCK, and showed him how it should have gone on. The "gunsmith" had been a machinist for 20 years for the state, and never apprenticed, figured that since he knew so little, his customers knew less....

Not all gunsmiths are the same, but you will at least get competency out of a school trained gunsmith rather than some yahoo with a mill/lathe that thinks he can cut a chamber (whole 'nother story).
 
Machinists are by definition competent gunsmiths, gunsmiths are poor excuses for machinists
I just spit coffee all over my keyboard when I read that one!
Totally ridiculous statement!

If they have fairly nice looking mills, lathes, or even some CNC machinery, have them do it for you.
One of the best gunsmiths I have ever known still used old lathes & mills he bought as WWII surplus in the late 1940's until he died.
It was well used & rusty when he got it, but he could make a perfect screw, or a complete shotgun release-trigger assembly unmatched anywhere else in the United States on it.

All shiny new equipment proves is they had a lot of money or backing when they set up the shop. I doesn't at all mean there is anyone there who knows how to use any it, or what to do with it if they did!

Some of the finest gunsmiths in the world work in shops equipped with machinery that's well over 100 years old. Check out one of the best English or German gun-makers sometime.

rcmodel
 
And some of the finest work today is turned out on a CNC that the operator knows nothing of what they are doing.

I OWN both manual and CNC machines. I learn something new all the time with my CNC setups ( lathe and mill ) they are awesome. And make such repeatable work.

But yes you can make things happen when your a real machinist. The tolerances in alot of guns is a far cry to what a good machinist is used to working with on a day to day basis.

Its not the machine that makes the man, its the man that makes the machine !!!
 
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