Can you put a AK stock on the Sagia Shotguns?
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GigaBuist
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IIRC you've got to do play the "US parts import game" just like you do with a rifle. It can be done though I hear.
http://www.saiga-12.com has references on how to do it I think.
http://www.saiga-12.com has references on how to do it I think.
Wait a few months!
Pistol grip with a detachable mag = dreaded evil assault weapon. The detachable mag is not assumed, as it is with rifles.
Here's the verbage from 921. (complete reading is available at http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/921.html and a host of other sites)
(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of -
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii)a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii)a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
(iv)an ability to accept a detachable magazine.
I'm gonna lay out a challenge (I did this yesterday or day before) for all who read this to write/phone/email your senator to undo the current efforts of Feinstien.
Don't report back here, I'm not looking to hijack the thread. Just go do it, you'll feel better!
Pistol grip with a detachable mag = dreaded evil assault weapon. The detachable mag is not assumed, as it is with rifles.
Here's the verbage from 921. (complete reading is available at http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/921.html and a host of other sites)
(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of -
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii)a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii)a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
(iv)an ability to accept a detachable magazine.
I'm gonna lay out a challenge (I did this yesterday or day before) for all who read this to write/phone/email your senator to undo the current efforts of Feinstien.
Don't report back here, I'm not looking to hijack the thread. Just go do it, you'll feel better!
Hkmp5sd
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This one does not go away. 922(r) remains in effect.
In a few months ...
you'll be able to doctor up the Saiga, but as HKmp5 mentions 922(r) still will be in affect.
My current understanding would be that we'd be in the same boat as the rifle guys, ie you'll need to get the parts count down below 11 and then you'd be good to attach all the goodies.
I say current understanding, as I'm still trying to wade thru the legal mumbo jumbo to a FIRM understanding. I'm not there yet.
YMMV, IMO, etc etc etc
you'll be able to doctor up the Saiga, but as HKmp5 mentions 922(r) still will be in affect.
My current understanding would be that we'd be in the same boat as the rifle guys, ie you'll need to get the parts count down below 11 and then you'd be good to attach all the goodies.
I say current understanding, as I'm still trying to wade thru the legal mumbo jumbo to a FIRM understanding. I'm not there yet.
YMMV, IMO, etc etc etc
Bear in mind that along with doing the parts swap thing you have to do some pretty extensive modufications to the rifle to get it to take the stock and pistol grip.
You will need to get a new "trigger group" (it has a more correct term than that) and move the trigger guard foreward to its original position. This MAY involve some drilling and cutting of the reciever. Additionally putting the AK FOREARM onto the rifle is quite an undertaking that is better left to a smith.
Now legalities.
I just noticed you were talking about the Saiga SHOTGUN.
Forget everything i said.
The shotgun has a whole different definition in the '94 AWB. There is basically nothing you can do (short of making it a bolt action) to put the SHOTGUN into pistol grip configuration.
Wait untill september, and if the AWB sunsets THEN you can do the modufication. But you will STILL have to comply with 922 (parts count).
Complicated enough?
You will need to get a new "trigger group" (it has a more correct term than that) and move the trigger guard foreward to its original position. This MAY involve some drilling and cutting of the reciever. Additionally putting the AK FOREARM onto the rifle is quite an undertaking that is better left to a smith.
Now legalities.
I just noticed you were talking about the Saiga SHOTGUN.
Forget everything i said.
The shotgun has a whole different definition in the '94 AWB. There is basically nothing you can do (short of making it a bolt action) to put the SHOTGUN into pistol grip configuration.
Wait untill september, and if the AWB sunsets THEN you can do the modufication. But you will STILL have to comply with 922 (parts count).
Complicated enough?
thumb hole stocks intitially were the closest thing allowed, but currently I understand that they are seen as pistol grips. Here's a good reading.
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/semi_auto_faq.txt
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Having quoted that, I know some have done this mod. And as long as they don't do anything wrong with their shotty, they'll most likely be left alone. But, decide to rob a bank and this might get you some extra time with your new best friends?
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http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/semi_auto_faq.txt
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Having quoted that, I know some have done this mod. And as long as they don't do anything wrong with their shotty, they'll most likely be left alone. But, decide to rob a bank and this might get you some extra time with your new best friends?
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This is where so much of the confusion lays (in my mind). definition of an assault weapon seems to allow up to 10 rounds so the number 5 is irrelevant. But modding the shotgun is where 922(r) may be applied as it speaks about assembling firearms that otherwise must not be imported. That's why modding is done in such a way as to keep the us parts count up. Actually, you are looking to have no more than 10 parts from oversees on the gun. There is a list of what is considered to be a "part" (ie, stock, receiver, muzzle device, mag baseplate, pistol grip, forearm, trigger guard etc)
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