Can you strip a Mosin Nagant M91/30 bolt without tools?

[4v50 Gary]

Can you strip a Mosin Nagant M91/30 bolt
Without tools or a vise? I'm curious and don't have one nearby to try with.

http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinDisassembly.htm

 

[kBob]

except for the extractor, yep, they even demonstrate it in you link

-kBob

 

[4v50 Gary]

Opps. Asked and answered here:



Does anybody know if the average Soviet Soldat of WW II was taught it?

 

[entropy]

Yes, they were. I've seen the manuals. As noted, the only tool needed is the cutout in the bolt guide, unless one is removing the extractor. I was waiting for him to shoot that firing pin right into his chest in the video.
The Mosin bolt was designed the way it was for 2 main reasons; It was a refinement of the Berdan Rifle bolt (The Berdan Rifle was the standard issue Russian rifle prior to the Mosin Nagant), and it was a workaround of Paul Mauser's bolt design, to avoid having to pay Mauser like the US ended up having to do when it adopted the M1903, whose bolt is an almost exact copy of the Mauser M1898 bolt.

 

[boom boom]

Entropy is right.

At the time of the Mosin's design, most military rifles had separate bolt bodies and bolt heads. The Enfield, the Mannlichers, the GEW 88, the Gras, Lebels, Berthiers, and so on. Peter Mauser for whatever reason decided that he did not like the detachable bolt heads after the 71/84 and built a monolithic bolt body for his 1889 and later series Mausers. The U.S. ironically picked one of the few other monolithic bolts via the Krag and then the Mauser derived Springfield 03. The Japanese Arisakas also had monolithic bolt bodies in their early 30 series and kept it for the T38 and T99's but the Arisakas were consciously modeled on the Mauser design with a few Japanese flairs on the internals of the bolt. Like the Springfield, I would definitely classify the Arisaka as a Mauser derived action.

Possibly the fact that Japan made the Siamese Mausers under license may have kept Mauser from suing them also for patent infringement on the unibody bolt design with massive front lugs or there may be some geopolitical reasons that lawsuits never happened because the Japanese military became quite influenced by Germany pre-WWI.

FWIW, I had to piece together an Argentine m91 bolt yesterday which is a literal pain to do without a special tool and the P14/1917 design is also safer to takedown if you have a u-shaped shim to hold the bolt cocking piece assembly from taking off hunks of your hand on bolt disassembly. So some Mauser designs are better than others as far as the bolt takedown.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Even John George (Shots Fired In Anger) said the Arisaka was a simplified Mauser

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The Italian Carcano rifle starting with the Series 1891 were monolithic bolts (locking lugs integral with the bolt body head) like the early 1890s Mausers. I have owned a Carcano 91/41 rifle and currently own a 91/38 short rifle. The bolt head is not separate like the Lee-Enfield or Mosin rifles.

American references call it "Mannlicher–Carcano" or "Mauser–Parravicino"; the en-bloc magazine system resembles Ritter von Mannlicher's designs, and Carcano and Parravicino were involved in development, In Italy it is known as Modello 1891, M91, or "il novantuno" ("the ninety-one").

Those early Vetterli rifles were sometimes rebarreled to 6.5 Carcano valiber in the early 20th century.

 

[boom boom]

The Italian Carcano rifle starting with the Series 1891 were monolithic bolts (locking lugs integral with the bolt body head) like the early 1890s Mausers. I have owned a Carcano 91/41 rifle and currently own a 91/38 short rifle. The bolt head is not separate like the Lee-Enfield or Mosin rifles.

American references call it "Mannlicher–Carcano" or "Mauser–Parravicino"; the en-bloc magazine system resembles Ritter von Mannlicher's designs, and Carcano and Parravicino were involved in development, In Italy it is known as Modello 1891, M91, or "il novantuno" ("the ninety-one").

Those early Vetterli rifles were sometimes rebarreled to 6.5 Carcano valiber in the early 20th century.

You are right that Carcanos have a monolithic bolt body so I edited that, I am so used to typing Carcano after Mannlichers that I conflated the two which use the clip feeding system but have different bolts--I was thinking about the Steyr M95's when I wrote that.

 

[Robbins290]

Yes you can. But not with the extractor. Tho the bolt tool that comes with a mosin helps