Cartridge that you just don't like

[MechAg94]

.25 ACP.

Because...why?

I agree these days. With today's ammo and pistol choices, there is no reason to use it unless you have one and can't afford something better.

I understand it was developed by St. Browning as a centerfire version of 22 LR to be used in pocket pistols which were very popular in Europe and the US in those days.

 

[Corpral_Agarn]

I'm not really a fan of sorting 380 from 9mm brass.

so I guess that's the one I 'don't like'.

But gotta say... I like em all.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Any Ackley Disproved chamber.

Good GAWD, P.O...... leave 'em alone already.

And in that vein, zombie-wild-cats that just WON'T stay dead!

Arizona is the final resting place of so many firearms that have been abused by reamers after some goof read a flyer, bulletin or misguided magazine article about how a few degrees or a few thou will guarantee to make up for the crappy shooter that you really are.

Arizona is also likely one of the higher markets for cerrosafe for this reason.

Todd.

 

[RikSors]

Anything magnum except magnum ice cream.

 

[230RN]

ApacheCoTodd opined:

Any Ackley Disproved chamber.

Good GAWD, P.O...... leave 'em alone already.

Concur.

Ordnance spends beaucoup bucks on designing, testing, modifying, and designing, testing and modifying again and again, cartridges and powders, etc., for the most rigorous use planetwide.

Gee, did you ever notice that the profile for every U.S. cartridge ( and many foreign ones ) all have the same profile, from 223 Rem (5.56 NATO) varmint cartridges to .50 BMG?*

What a coincidence !

So thanks, Ackley, and I appreciate your "pioneering" efforts in improving conventional over-the-counter cartridges, but no thanks.

Terry, 230RN

* I guess .308 Win is an exception, but that's hardly an "improvement," performance-wise, over the parent .30-06 Springfield. And I never compared the profile of 20 mm cases with the aforementioned .223 to .50 cases.

 

[joseywales76]

Hold on... I'm still trying to think of one.



This might take a while.

 

[American_Fusilier]

That's a great question!

I don't like .17 caliber anything. I don't have a reason other than it just seems too small, and what can it do that .22lr or .22wmr can't?

I also, like many people here, dislike any pistol caliber 380 and below (minus .22lr and .22wmr).

 

[WVGunman]

FWIW Hornady published at the time that 357 Sig was the most ballistically uniform cartridge they had ever tested.
I cant hate on a cartridge. But I really like my hot 25's and 27's.

What does "ballistically uniform" mean??

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

What does "ballistically uniform" mean??

I would infer: *consistent*, in that.

Todd.

 

[Safton]

I don't like .22LR. It seems to be the first thing to disappear or spike in price during "scares" and 9mm isn't that much more expensive in the first place. And unlike .22, a 9mm shooting session doesn't end with the ground littered in cartridges that FTF'd and felt so wobbly in construction that even before cycling them I could sit there and "turn" the bullet in its case and likely yank it out with a slight tug.

People will hastily chalk this up to "cheap guns and ammo", but I've had the same exact experience using CCI stuff out of a SIG 522 -- both of which are revered as gold standards in the .22LR world of always going bang. And the thing is, when you go up to the premium .22LR loads, the price differential between it and cheap centerfire practice ammo narrows even further. To this day I don't own a .22 in my gunsafe and don't know that I ever will.

 

[230RN]

American_Fusilier remarked,

I don't like .17 caliber anything. I don't have a reason other than it just seems too small, and what can it do that .22lr or .22wmr can't?

Not ricochet. That's what it can do.

More and more important as the human species spreads over the earth like mold on a peach.

And if it does, the remaining energy in each of the individual fragments is close to Who Cares ft-lbs each.

And not make too much noise, including over its whole trajectory. That's another thing it can do.

=D

Terry, 230RN

 

[Kayaker 1960]

I'm not a big fan of Magnum rifle rounds, they have their place but a lot of people buy and shoot them because they think bigger is better and they can shoot something " way over there" when in reality the shooter isn't capable of making that long shot. If my 30-06 can't do it, then it's too far away anyway.

 

[ScubaSteve99]

For me it would probably be 9x18 mak, but this is more because of how unpleasant it is to shoot out of my P64. I wish there were some short recoil pistols chambered for it because I want to like it, but its just a little too peppy for straight blowback IMO.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I don't know that I specifically dislike any of them but once you get smaller than this



I'm not particularly impressed with any of them.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

I don't like .22LR. It seems to be the first thing to disappear or spike in price during "scares" and 9mm isn't that much more expensive in the first place. And unlike .22, a 9mm shooting session doesn't end with the ground littered in cartridges that FTF'd and felt so wobbly in construction that even before cycling them I could sit there and "turn" the bullet in its case and likely yank it out with a slight tug.

People will hastily chalk this up to "cheap guns and ammo", but I've had the same exact experience using CCI stuff out of a SIG 522 -- both of which are revered as gold standards in the .22LR world of always going bang. And the thing is, when you go up to the premium .22LR loads, the price differential between it and cheap centerfire practice ammo narrows even further. To this day I don't own a .22 in my gunsafe and don't know that I ever will.

You either get a hell of a price on 9mm or don’t know where to buy 22 ammo.
On the low end I can get 9mm factory ammonia for $0.16 cents a round. I can find 22lr ammo for as little as $0.03 cents a round and on an average get it from $0.04 to $0.08 a round. And the last time I checked $0.08 was half of $0.16.
I have never had the problem with more then a bad round or two from bulk pack 22 ammo, other then a bad batch of Golden bullets I bought once.

 

[Safton]

You either get a hell of a price on 9mm or don’t know where to buy 22 ammo.
On the low end I can get 9mm factory ammonia for $0.16 cents a round. I can find 22lr ammo for as little as $0.03 cents a round and on an average get it from $0.04 to $0.08 a round. And the last time I checked $0.08 was half of $0.16.
I have never had the problem with more then a bad round or two from bulk pack 22 ammo, other then a bad batch of Golden bullets I bought once.

*shrug*

I shop around when and where I can. And the cost savings were lost on me very quickly when about 33% of the rounds fired had some kind of issue.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

*shrug*

I shop around when and where I can. And the cost savings were lost on me very quickly when about 33% of the rounds fired had some kind of issue.

There’s good 22 ammo on the market and there’s not so good 22 ammo on the market, but I have never seen any with a 20% or plus failure rate. If that were common, I don’t think many of us would be shooting 22 ammo.
I also have a Sig 522 that eats just about anything you feed it.

My oldest son doesn’t care for 22 lr all that much. He says it just doesn’t have enough power. I told him that it is more then enough power to punch holes in paper.

 

[Safton]

There’s good 22 ammo on the market and there’s not so good 22 ammo on the market, but I have never seen any with a 20% or plus failure rate. If that were common, I don’t think many of us would be shooting 22 ammo.
I also have a Sig 522 that eats just about anything you feed it.

I can only speak from my own personal experience. I've shot a mix of CCI, Federal Champion, Winchester Wildcat, and Remington Yellow Jacket. Now the CCI definitely had a lower failure rate than the value packs, admittedly... but I would hope so at its comparative price point. The firearms I used across those range sessions were the SIG 522, SIG Mosquito, an S&W M&P 15-22, and a Burgo 106S.

 

[230RN]

I don't know that I specifically dislike any of them but once you get smaller than this

I'm not particularly impressed with any of them.

Ayup. Hit anywhere on the paper, and you cut the X-ring. My personal preference in this respect is a 16" naval rifle.

Incidentally, in my very limited experience with these gun things, most of the problems of misfiring .22 rimfires is due to dirty firing pins and springs, extractors, and gunk around the chamber. Most, mind you, not all, but worth checking right off the bat.

Terry, 230RN

 

[Pelo801]

I have never had the problem with more then a bad round or two from bulk pack 22 ammo,

I just went through 2 500 round bulk packs of Herters 22 or without a single dud of any form. All in a single six. I love shooting 22's.

 

[lightman]

It would be cool to see a graph of everyones answers. I think another poster mentioned this before me.

 

[labnoti]

Anything John Browning invented is the spawn of an unrepentant moral degenerate. Limited to the subject of cartridges, that includes the ACP's.
I'm not a fan of Jeff Cooper, J. Edgar Hoover, what they stood for, or anything in their legacy -- 10mm and 40 S&W.

9mm is boring and un-American, but that doesn't mean that I dislike everything that is. Some formerly polarizing cartridges like the 7.62x39 - a communist Soviet copy of a Nazi product that attained infamy as a weapon against American boys in Vietnam - can also be seen as an implement of liberation from imperial powers and communist dictatorships for a lot of other people around the world. I don't particularly like it, but I don't dislike it simply because some people used it for terrible causes. A cartridge can be used for good and evil and I don't find a cartridge's historical use as cause to dislike it. The .303 British is another good example of the same. It was used for the Massacre at Amritsar, but the British also wielded it in leading a moral cause against Nazism when Americans would have been apathetic to the wide-scale slaughter of Jews and many others.

They're all just little brass cones with primer, powder and a bullet. Since I reload everything I shoot and I'm only restricted to the guns' pressure limit or anything less that won't result in a squib, and not SAAMI specifications, the main factor determining the type of performance a cartridge provides is simply the size of the brass cone -- the diameter and the volume. Of course, there are other non-cartridge factors like the barrel length. Cartridges generally have characteristics with respect to headspacing, like rims, belts, shoulders, or mouths, and I find some preferable to others in certain types of guns.