cheap gun bashing

[ar-newbie]

I watched a video on cheap handguns, and the comments were just out of control.

The topic of high point pistols came up, and one person was adamant that they were so dangerous to the owners that some states have outright banned them for carry.

I just don't understand the mindset that it is their duty to spread falsehoods in their quest to bash a brand of weapon. When I looked up what he was referring to, it was really the Illinois melting point law from the 1960s which everyone knew was an attempt to restrict the rights of all people to defend themselves, removing inexpensive options from their gun stores in a bad effort to curb shootings in Chicago.

Hi point pistols were sold in Illinois gun stores right up until 2017, so there are plenty of them still in the state, they just can't sell them over the counter anymore.

I look at it this way, the second amendment applies to all law abiding citizens, and we should defend that at all cost. It's not my place to tell someone else how to spend their hard earned money.

While I don't personally want to own or carry a high point, I will certainly defend that right, and it's up to the individual to decide if that is for them or not.

 

[WestKentucky]

I have to admit I have no love for hipoint, or any of the other absolute lowest tier of gun maker. The reason for that is that I typically shoot quite a bit so in a gun with a duty life expectation of 1000 rds then it doesn’t hold up for long. For somebody that buys a gun sticks ammo in it and forgets about that gun for decades at a time then it will last a lifetime, so for those folks any gun is enough gun and is a functional enough gun for them because they likely will not need it.

 

[ontarget]

I would hope a HiPoint would last more than 1000 rounds. But that set aside, there will always be someone who is willing to bash something. I believe most of the time the bashers are just trying to justify their choices or brag about their Kimber this or Colt that by putting someone else's choices down. I say buy what makes you happy. And LONG LIVE PHOENIX ARMS!!!

 

[boom boom]

I watched a video on cheap handguns, and the comments were just out of control.

The topic of high point pistols came up, and one person was adamant that they were so dangerous to the owners that some states have outright banned them for carry.

I just don't understand the mindset that it is their duty to spread falsehoods in their quest to bash a brand of weapon. When I looked up what he was referring to, it was really the Illinois melting point law from the 1960s which everyone knew was an attempt to restrict the rights of all people to defend themselves, removing inexpensive options from their gun stores in a bad effort to curb shootings in Chicago.

Hi point pistols were sold in Illinois gun stores right up until 2017, so there are plenty of them still in the state, they just can't sell them over the counter anymore.

I look at it this way, the second amendment applies to all law abiding citizens, and we should defend that at all cost. It's not my place to tell someone else how to spend their hard earned money.

While I don't personally want to own or carry a high point, I will certainly defend that right, and it's up to the individual to decide if that is for them or not.

Why was the Hi Point banned from sale in Illinois? High capacity mags? Gun registry of allowable firearms like California?

Regarding the Hi Point, I don't care the style of them but every report, even from Gun Tests, which is a pretty tough bunch indicates that they go bang when you fire the trigger. Lots of folks also have their carbines and most every one has no complaints about service related issues from Hi Point. Keltec is a similar company that also gets a lot of grief but they have some innovative designs.

The whole GCA 1968 that banned "Saturday Night Specials" banned such firearms from importation such as the original Walther ppk. A better law would have concentrated on actual safety of the firearms. Ffor example Lorcin and Jimenez were not banned and are not safe in my opinion and yes I've dissassembled and cleaned one for a brother in law.

 

[ar-newbie]

The ban on them in Illinois appears to be due to their law on slide and chamber metals used, and melting point of the metals involved. It really was passed to prevent poor people who were not white from buying a gun to defend themselves. The typical we are here to protect you, while stripping their ability to defend themselves.

That being said, it's a far distance from that , to they are unsafe and will blow up in your face, and are illegal to carry.

 

[Sovblocgunfan]

I’ll never disparage cheap firearms unless they pose a safety risk to the user from defects in design/materials/quality/workmanship.

There is a place for them, and even if I don’t care to own them, some may have no other choice

 

[billybob44]

^^^Wrong things posted here...'poor people who were not white from buying a gun" does not fall in to The HighRoad standards as a comment.

Poor does NOT equal "Not White", and it is poor judgement to use such words here on THR.

IMO, Illinois has A LOT to think about in firearms besides banning Hi-Points...Bill.

 

[Mikhail Weiss]

Hey, I've heard that Ruger P-series are junk guns. I like my P-90. So it goes.

 

[billybob44]

Hey, I've heard that Ruger P-series are junk guns. I like my P-90. So it goes.

P series Rugers are not JUNK....Just LARGE...HA. HA. HA...Bill.

 

[ar-newbie]

^^^Wrong things posted here...'poor people who were not white from buying a gun" does not fall in to The HighRoad standards as a comment.

Poor does NOT equal "Not White", and it is poor judgement to use such words here on THR.

IMO, Illinois has A LOT to think about in firearms besides banning Hi-Points...Bill.

I wasn't advocating that, but it is undeniable that was the original intent behind the law when it was implemented in illinois. There is nothing wrong with point out when a law was based on bad faith, and at a time in this country when such backward thinking was common practice.

The second amendment applies to every law abiding citizen in this country, regardless of their economic standing, or ethnic background.

 

[VoodooMountain]

Cheap guns fail more which make them an easy justification to validate our decisions to spend $600 on a glock, smith, cz, etc.

Having said that I did witness a bryco or Jennings come apart in half while shooting. The slide just ejected right off the frame as something or another had sheared off.

I have also pretty much sworn off Taurus. Too many failures and premature wear.

Oddly enough.....I like hi point. A $100-$150 pistol that functions pretty reliably, is accurate, nearly impossible to break, and has a life time warranty.

Heavy, antiquated (not so great takedown), and low capacity are my only real gripes.

 

[Mn Fats]

From my experience, cheap guns cost more than expensive ones. A lot of variables there though.

 

[BigBore45]

I have to admit I have no love for hipoint, or any of the other absolute lowest tier of gun maker. The reason for that is that I typically shoot quite a bit so in a gun with a duty life expectation of 1000 rds then it doesn’t hold up for long. For somebody that buys a gun sticks ammo in it and forgets about that gun for decades at a time then it will last a lifetime, so for those folks any gun is enough gun and is a functional enough gun for them because they likely will not need it.

Where did you get that number?

 

[illinoisburt]

Hi point pistols were sold in Illinois gun stores right up until 2017, so there are plenty of them still in the state, they just can't sell them over the counter anymore.

Do you have a reference for this? I cannot find anything other than speculation on other boards about hi point voluntarily suspending sales. However there is a list of stocking dealers on the manufacturer website, many of whom show new pistols available and in stock in online inventory.

 

[MikeInOr]

Gun bashing... cheap gun bashing... has been around for as long as there have been guns. In my early 20's I took a heck of a ribbing from all of my fire arm friends when I bought a cheap (POS!) Winchester M1 carbine for ~$100. What a waste of money! Boy was I stupid! (Yes, of course I still have it!)

All Hi-Point needs to do to improve their standing in the gun world is go out of business... in 20 years or so they will be collectors items! Buy what you like, enjoy it and forget about what all the "experts" on the internet say!

 

[Dibbs]

From my experience, cheap guns cost more than expensive ones. A lot of variables there though.

Yes, there are viable cheap pistols out there. Yes, they do function, up to a point.

That said, IMO, save money on clothes, food, or furniture. Many gun purchases follow you around for the rest of your life. Do you really want to be thinking "I should have gotten a (fill in quality brand name here).",
EVERY TIME you pick up that cheaper alternative?

Buy in haste, repent at leisure.

 

[Kaybee]

I’ll totally bash a high point. That carbine they make is straight up the ugliest gun made in the history of mankind.

(Jk)

I respect people sometimes need a less expensive firearm, but If ianyone asked me for a recommendation for something on a budget I’d point them torwar

 

[TheSquire]

I've seen and heard instances where owners of expensive shotguns (>£5,000) belittle anything cheaper as a way of justifying their expensive purchase. I have no experience of buying a gun for personal defence, but you buy what you can afford. There is no sense in berating the choices of others as you are not them and not in their situation. One of the things I like about this forum is the range of advice and support for those who ask for it, surely a more effective way of helping people make informed choices.

 

[Nathanael_Greene]

When I was young, I made the mistake of listening to some know-it-all who would bash gun makers. ("Charter Arms is death from both ends.")

As I gained experience, I realized what a complete knucklehead the guy was. All mouth and no experience. That helped me tune out others who are like that.

 

[ar-newbie]

I think the point I was getting at with this thread, is really that freedom is a person having the right to choose for themselves. It's not our place to determine what another person wants or does. Let them make up their own mind. Sure we can discuss the merits of one thing or another, but we shouldn't take action to limit what is available to them, or choose for them.

Obviously if a product is a clear danger to anyone, that's a different thing.

 

[Demi-human]

^^^Wrong things posted here...'poor people who were not white from buying a gun" does not fall in to The HighRoad standards as a comment.

Poor does NOT equal "Not White", and it is poor judgement to use such words here on THR.

@ar-newbie is correct. That is only the truth. The truth is niether good nor bad, but it is the truth. That was the exact reason those laws were enacted. Context is everything.

I do, however, understand what you mean. We do enjoy a nice place here, don't we?

My predecessor in arms(older cousin) recived a great deal on a box (pallet) of ten thousand nine millimeter. With no nine to shoot them from. Almost as a joke he bought a Hi-point, with the full intent of flogging it to its death. A long story short, he still has it. It will empty the magazine and then repair a gate post, and reload and just keep working. Ugly while it does it, of course, but the Clydesdale of the inexpensive.

Ahh, Kimbers. Or rather, meh, kimbers. The Honda Accord of Nineteen Elevens. Made with the least amount of human contact as possible. No less reliable then the venerable design or any other Phillipian made pistol, for at least twice the money. Nearly as souless as an AR. But that is not what Nineteen Elevens are supposed to be.

I like that we have a spectrum of options. As variety is the spice. I have two Taurii and a Chiappa. Some humans look down at my Silverback too.

 

[MedWheeler]

billybob44 writes:

^^^Wrong things posted here...'poor people who were not white from buying a gun" does not fall in to The HighRoad standards as a comment.

Poor does NOT equal "Not White", and it is poor judgement to use such words here on THR.

As written, there is nothing about what was posted that is "poor judgement" for this forum. You seem to be under the impression that the phrase "poor people who were not white" means the same thing as "all poor people are not white" when that is simply not the case.

It is no secret that many gun-control laws were in fact enacted to restrict the access to firearms from economically-disadvantaged (what we call "poor") blacks (what he was referring to as "not white.") That's all the member "ar-newbie" was saying. I certainly don't see that as inappropriate for THR.

 

[Sovblocgunfan]

The second amendment is for every peace-loving citizen. Not just those who can afford it.

Anyone recall the Armed Citizen Project? Where a charity was started to give firearms to those in high crime areas who could not afford them? Background checks and training, yes.

Apparently the charity is still running, years later. I believe they have switched to arming women, and are now based in illinois (i may not have that part right). Benevolence, charity, kindness to your fellow man, and the Second Amendment. That is AMERICA.

https://abc13.com/archive/9083840/

 

[frankmako]

I never owned a hi-point, but I think I am going to get one.

 

[John_R]

Price is a funny thing. Some people who have an $800 smart phone won't spend $350 on at least a Kahr or a Shield. Those are not considered "cheap" guns, but their prices are way below the prices of "Perfection" guns. $350 really isn't a lot of money these days. We buy flat screen TVs for that amount, and they only last a few years.