CraigC
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I saw this in some of Gunblast's SHOT Show coverage. It's a gateless pocket model and while not my first choice for a chambering, I'm not gonna complain! Could probably be rechambered for .38Colt. Not on the website yet.
Cimarron announces Colt pocket model .380!
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CraigC
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Fast foward to the 11:00 mark.
midland man
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I gotta have that 30-30 by uberti and that pocket 380 wow wow wow!!! I am itching now!! 
midland man
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thank you craigc you just helped me spend money later this year!
44 Dave
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A Colt .36 Pocket with 20 grs. of black powder tops a .380.
My buddy Omnivore has a custom boolit that drops at 100 grns and is quite short for its weight with a wide meplat. He gets ~20 grns of 3F powder (Swiss or Olde E) and is getting about 180 ft/lbs with it.
This is something I've been considering for a good bit of time and it seems are it's best it's a bit less than an average .380 ACP load, though it uses a slightly wider projectile that will likely behave like a FMJ.
Panzerschwein
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And who cares?
This is just awesome. I'll be buying one. Won't have to clean the damn thing out with a fine tooth comb after firing a few rounds through it, or worry about cap jams etc. etc.
Much appreciated, Craig!
Driftwood Johnson
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Ohhh!
A little Open Top Colt revolver.
When I saw the title of this thread 'Colt Pocket Model .380', I thought, what's Cimarron doing introducing one of these? Had no idea what a 'gateless' pocket model was, thought maybe it was some rare variation that I had never heard of.
Gotta wonder though, why is anybody going to want an Italian knockoff of the Winchester Model 1894 chambered for 30-30 when there are oodles of originals lining used gun racks everywhere?
I came across this one from the 1940s a couple of years ago.
A little Open Top Colt revolver.
When I saw the title of this thread 'Colt Pocket Model .380', I thought, what's Cimarron doing introducing one of these? Had no idea what a 'gateless' pocket model was, thought maybe it was some rare variation that I had never heard of.
Gotta wonder though, why is anybody going to want an Italian knockoff of the Winchester Model 1894 chambered for 30-30 when there are oodles of originals lining used gun racks everywhere?
I came across this one from the 1940s a couple of years ago.
RPRNY
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The Uberti 30-30 is very pretty.
AlexanderA
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I was gong to say I'm puzzled by this too. The Winchester '94 is ubiquitous and cheap as an original. Maybe people are starting to collect Ubertis rather than Winchesters?
Crawdad1
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That would be a costly investment mistake down the road.
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CraigC
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Well, Colt introduced a new .380 pocket auto last year. If that's what this was, I probably would not have posted it in the blackpowder forum.
The only affordable old Winchester 94's are your standard 20" carbine. Everything else has a collectible price tag. Not to mention that Winchester has some eras of questionable quality, crossbolt safeties and the new guns have a tang safety. If we can deal with 900 different makers building AR's and 1911's, I think having one more option for an 1894 will be okay. Because personally, I don't want another 20" .30-30 carbine but would love to have proper rifles, round or octagon, in .38-55, .25-35, etc..
Tops a .380 for what? It's a cartridge conversion, which is the point.
The only affordable old Winchester 94's are your standard 20" carbine. Everything else has a collectible price tag. Not to mention that Winchester has some eras of questionable quality, crossbolt safeties and the new guns have a tang safety. If we can deal with 900 different makers building AR's and 1911's, I think having one more option for an 1894 will be okay. Because personally, I don't want another 20" .30-30 carbine but would love to have proper rifles, round or octagon, in .38-55, .25-35, etc..
Tommygunn
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Uberti are nice guns but I doubt they will ever accrue any value. Buy 'em and shoot 'em!
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I immediately thought the same thing about the new 30-30 model 94 Winchester copy when I heard about this a couple days ago. You can find original pre64 model 94 carbines in great condition for the same price or less than Uberti rifles generally cost. I have not heard a price on this new rifle but I can't imagine why people would run out and buy one when the same money will invest in an original.
That said the originals have about doubled in going price over the last 10-15 years for the nicer older ones.
That said the originals have about doubled in going price over the last 10-15 years for the nicer older ones.
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CraigC
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When they come out with an octagon .38-55, I definitely will run out and buy one.
Saddlebag Preacher
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Save your shells and reload with BP and a lead bullet. That's what I do with my 45's and cartridge conversions. Will make it fun and cheaper to shoot. But I love the smell of BP in the morning.
kBob
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When we bought the '94 about 20 years back we had the choice of it or an Eye-Talian '73 in .357 mag for the same price ($150, you may cry if you wish but it was two decades back) It was a near thing. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on your point of view) the store owner chose to let us cycle some of the .357 reloads he sold in the '73 and it immediately jammed (the old Henry Style lifter/ cartridge carrier was serious about over all length) and he went into a panic. A week later we learned the reloads were loaded too long and that nothing was wrong with the '73. BTW the '94 had a Swift 4x on it in a side mount and you can still use the irons that came on the rifle......been gonna take that scope and mount off since the day we bought it.....the only tuits I can find around here are octagonal!
So getting sort of back on topic..... .380ACP, eh? I am guessing there was not enough space for the rims of .38S&W. Does make me wonder though if a .36 pocket model was ever converted to 9mm pinfire back in the day.
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So getting sort of back on topic..... .380ACP, eh? I am guessing there was not enough space for the rims of .38S&W. Does make me wonder though if a .36 pocket model was ever converted to 9mm pinfire back in the day.
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Dog Soldier
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My old Mdl.94 .30 WCF dates to 1958. I just like the Winchesters that were produced before 1964. I doubt they shoot any better. But then, I never throw away old boots even though they hurt my feet.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/win_pre_64_M94.htm
http://www.chuckhawks.com/win_pre_64_M94.htm
Driftwood Johnson
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From the very brief look at the Uberti copy of the Model 94 that I saw on the video, it looked to me to have a 20" barrel. I saw it had a crescent shaped butt plate instead of the typical 20" carbine style, and a fancy checkering on the stock and for end. Not enough of an incentive to me to buy one over the 20" carbines I see on used gun racks all the time.
I understand the allure of a 30" 38-55, that would be something different. But what I saw briefly on the video is not enough to interest me.
I understand the allure of a 30" 38-55, that would be something different. But what I saw briefly on the video is not enough to interest me.
Dog Soldier
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The Mdl. 94 rifles were popular back in the day. Winchester offered many options on them. Set triggers, hex barrels, short magazines, shot gun butts, cased receivers.
Carbines and take down Mdl. 94s became popular as train travel was in style.
Carbines and take down Mdl. 94s became popular as train travel was in style.
midland man
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you loading colt 45's with blackpowder??
Driftwood Johnson
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Carbines and take down Mdl. 94s became popular as train travel was in style.
What the dickens is that supposed to mean? Railroads have existed in this country since the 1830s. By the 1850s Railroads were a mature industry. By 1860 there were over 30,000 miles of railroad track in the US. The Transcontinental Railroad was completed in 1869. Railroads were instrumental in opening up the West to civilization. Railroads were the first practical way to travel long distance in the US long before the Winchester Model 1894 existed.
midland man
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yep the Winchester 30-30 didn't come on the scene until 1895 and it was the first smokeless cartridge arms in America!
Gaucho Gringo
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For some reason to me the receiver looks to be longer in the video than a picture of a Winchester 94 or maybe just shaped differently.
AlexanderA
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When Ubertis are discontinued, they go up in value. A prime example is the Uberti Colt Paterson, which hasn't been made for many years. They're worth a lot of money (if you can find one). The Pietta version is still available, but is clearly not as good. As far as shootability, Patersons are not practical for shooting, as attested by numerous negative testimonials on the Internet. But then again, the originals were not too practical for shooting either. That's why Colt's original Paterson company went bankrupt. The best thing to do with a Paterson (original or reproduction) is to keep it in its case and admire it. The first practical Colt revolver was the 1851 Navy. (I don't include the huge Walker as being "practical." The Walker was designed for troopers on horseback, to be carried in pairs on the saddle.)
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