Cimarron announces Colt pocket model .380!

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Reviving an old thread. Just received this email from Cimarron, in part....
Last year we were excited to give you a sneak peek of our new 1862 Police Pocket Conversion in .380ACP. Well, after a year of hard work are now in the final process of getting the approval from the ATF. As long as there are no more surprises, we will be officially releasing the 1862 Police Pocket Conversion early in 2018. The 5 shot Colt Pocket Navy conversion comes equipped with the new patented automatic safety. This safety is built into the inside of the hammer, it is not detectable when gun is assembled and does not detract from the little guns authentic appearance or operation.

Looks like I'll be buying 380 dies after all ;-)
 
I talked to them back in the fall and they said it was still in development. Glad to hear it's finally going to become available but sorry to hear it's coming with the retractable firing pin.
 
I talked to them back in the fall and they said it was still in development. Glad to hear it's finally going to become available but sorry to hear it's coming with the retractable firing pin.
Yeah wondered about.....they intend us to be able to carry with 5? Seems unnecessary as this would be a range toy for most...maybe give the cas/sass guys more options if those organisations allow it.
 
As long as the mechanism isn't prone to failure and it allows for carry of a full cylinder, and isn't conspicuous, no problems here.

I've been eyeing this little pocket blaster since last SHOT. I thought it might have been scrapped, thank god that wasn't the case. I WILL be ordering one. Beautiful, classy, and unique. Shoots the widely available and not ineffective .380 ACP. I think it'll be a whoop and a wholler for sure!

This will make a great and (mostly) historically correct piece to tuck in my shooting bag when I'm out in the desert shooting my muzzleloaders.
 
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Being the cheapskate I am, I will wait to see the price. That being said. It looks very interesting and I expect that I will eventually own one. If for no other reason than a revolver would be an interesting addition to my .380 collection.
 
Ohhh!

A little Open Top Colt revolver.

When I saw the title of this thread 'Colt Pocket Model .380', I thought, what's Cimarron doing introducing one of these? Had no idea what a 'gateless' pocket model was, thought maybe it was some rare variation that I had never heard of.


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Mine is the .32 CAP.shoots where you point most as well as a '62 Pocket Police.


Gotta wonder though, why is anybody going to want an Italian knockoff of the Winchester Model 1894 chambered for 30-30 when there are oodles of originals lining used gun racks everywhere?

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I came across this one from the 1940s a couple of years ago.
 
maybe give the cas/sass guys more options if those organisations allow it.

Nope.

First off, all SASS revolvers must be chambered for a cartridge commonly available in revolvers. 380ACP does not fit that definition. Secondly, 'pocket pistols' are not allowed as main match revolvers. Main Match revolvers must be full sized, such as the Colt SAA, it's replicas, Ruger Vaqueros, etc. Lastly, most CAS revolvers are six shooters. Only five are allowed to be loaded in the cylinder at once, with an empty chamber under the hammer. In the case of five shot revolvers, the only way to safely bring a five shot revolver to the firing line is with the hammer down on a safety pin, such as in a C&B style revolver, or with the hammer down on a 'dummy' chamber. This gun does not qualify under any of these criteria.

Regarding the 'gateless' feature, some of the early conversion revolvers were made that way. When in battery, a chamber does not line up with the loading gate. Must be careful when cocking the revolver not to point it skyward lest a round slips out through the open loading position as it moves past that position.

Here is an antique Remington cartridge conversion without a loading gate.

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Methinks the .380 was just the best option with regards to physically fitting into the platform and marketability. Starline has .38 Short Colt brass and I wonder if one could be rechambered???
 
Well thank god one of the repro makers decided to bring this to market despite not having much use by the SASS and CAS pretend cowboys.

Contrary to popular belief, they aren't the only ones buying and enjoying these repro old west firearms.
 
I'd love one of these. I briefly had a .31 colt repo of this size. It belonged to my stepmom's late grandfather. My stepbrother asked if he could have it, so of course I was happy to oblige. It was a fun little popper.

Having something handy and fun to shoot a common cartridge sounds good to me.
 
So a source at shot show was told by cimarron that the hammer safety has to go thru a redesign due the atf...which will delay the release. Cimarron indicated it wasn't a huge deal and the delay shouldn't be lengthy...
 
So a source at shot show was told by cimarron that the hammer safety has to go thru a redesign due the atf...which will delay the release. Cimarron indicated it wasn't a huge deal and the delay shouldn't be lengthy...

Oh great. Now it's not going to be historically correct I'll bet... not a fan of Uberti's modernized safetys.
 
Soooo.... Cimarron pulled the coming soon info on this revolver for a while...thought maybe it'd die on vine. Then just recently they added it back with a 6 inch barrel; with a model available to include an additional 3 inch barrel. Interesting.... we'll see if there's a 2019 release date. In the meantime I picked up a steel frame '63 pocket remington with the 32 s&w cylinder. I also added a 32 s&w cylinder to my '49 pocket colt.... they've been great fun at the range. I cast and reload so the 32 s&w was an easy add to the cartridges I currently load for. Let's hope we see this little gem in 2019. I love the colt 31 caliber frame...just feels right.
 
Soooo.... Cimarron pulled the coming soon info on this revolver for a while...thought maybe it'd die on vine. Then just recently they added it back with a 6 inch barrel; with a model available to include an additional 3 inch barrel. Interesting.... we'll see if there's a 2019 release date. In the meantime I picked up a steel frame '63 pocket remington with the 32 s&w cylinder. I also added a 32 s&w cylinder to my '49 pocket colt.... they've been great fun at the range. I cast and reload so the 32 s&w was an easy add to the cartridges I currently load for. Let's hope we see this little gem in 2019. I love the colt 31 caliber frame...just feels right.
I would like to see it as well.
 
A Colt .36 Pocket with 20 grs. of black powder tops a .380.

YES..., and a Colt pocket .44 tops them both. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...eel-frame-with-checkered-thunderer-grips-blue


Tops a .380 for what? It's a cartridge conversion, which is the point .

What point? So you can get a five-shot, single action in .380, a modern cartridge. <shrug> You can convert the .31, .36 or the .44 caplocks to cartridge too. And you can get smokeless loads that don't exceed the conversion cylinder pressures too. ;)

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If you'd rather shoot cap & ball, why even read a thread about a cartridge conversion?

Show me a Colt pocket model conversion cylinder. No, you can't buy conversion cylinders for ANY of the pocket models. They discontinued the 1849 converter because accuracy sucked in the oversized bore of the .31 barrel. Even if they did make a conversion cylinder for the pocket .36's, you'd have the same problem. Sorry but give me a .380 pocket model over something I have to use heeled bullets in any day of the week. Sure, I'd rather it was a .38Colt that still used .358" cast bullets but beggars can't be choosers. A common cartridge like the .380 probably made more sense from a marketing standpoint.

The excitement here is that one can procure a factory cartridge conversion on a Colt pocket platform. Previously, if you wanted one, you paid about $2000 and waited 2-3yrs to have one built.
 
Man this is really cool. I hope it happens soon.
Casting a 90 or 95 grain bullet and the tiny powder charge it would take.....it would be nearly as cost effective as shooting a .22 lr.
I will be very tempted to get one, even if there's no purpose but fun (which is a perfectly valid purpose).
 
What I heard is that the major hurdle was making weight for import restrictions. That's the reason for the 6" barrel. More unintended consequences of import restrictions.
 
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