Circus and Pita gun related

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So yesterday I took my near 2 year old daughter to the circus for the first time she had a great time! I was coming to work today and the local radio did an interview with Pita about protesting the circus. On and on about animals and nonsense like they do then (now for the gun related part) She talks about a 1994 incident in Hawaii IIRC where a lone police officer ran out of ammunition and could not kill a rampaging elephant. I recall seeing this in the paper when it happened. I also recall the officer had only a 9mm pistol. IIRC the elephant was finally killed by multiple hits from multiple officers with a variety of weapons.
Just found this on a Pita site
Arsenal Used to Kill Rampaging Elephant
(Honolulu, August 1994)
Weapons Caliber of Ammunition No. of Rounds
3 Smith & Wesson 9mm semi-automatic pistols 9mm Luger 20
1 Smith & Wesson .38 revolver pistol, model 67 .38 special 1
1 Ruger, .223 carbine rifle, model Mini-14 0223 Remington 30
1 Benelli, 12-gauge, semi-automatic shotgun,
model M1 Super 90 12-gauge 21
1 Winchester, .30 caliber lever action rifle,
model 94 ranger 30-30 Winchester 12
1 Remington, .308 carbine rifle, model 40X .308 Winchester 3

Please lets all not turn this into a what caliber thread for elephants

The lady then went on and on about how cruel the whole incident was and was complaining that the police department was not humane in its actions and ultimately it was the fault of the circus. The whole thing went to an anti gun tangent for a few seconds then got back on track. I am no big elephant hunter but I am thinking hollow points against thick tough elephant skin would not penetrate enough to be very effective same with buck shot ect. What were they supposed to do pepper spray the elephant?

On the side
Several years later I was working part time security and asked a circus worker what they would do if an elephant got out of control again and this person said they have many preventive measures but if it came down to it they had a "really big gun” How true that is or not is questionable as that information came from part of the labor crew and not a handler.
 
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I hunted elephant in Botswana in 1998. I used a .577 Nitro Express (2150 fps/ 7,000+ or - ft-lb of muzzle energy) To drop an old, way past the breeding age, bull. The 750-gr. bullet did as advertised and humanely put him down in one shot. The arsenal used to finally kill the elephant borders on the absurd. I guess they just shot him until they let all the air out. Clowns all around us!
 
I was at the circus in Norfolk on Friday.

I was eyeballing those tigers in the cage and thinking about how, every now and then, a tiger will apparently decide he wants to kill the trainer more than the trainer doesn't want to be killed.

I thought about my carry load, 17 total rounds of .45+P Gold Dots moving 200 grains @ 1080fps.

Could I kill a tiger with 17 rounds? I think so, but only because it was inside a fenced enclosure which would allow me to get up nice and close and head-shot it.

Now let's say the tiger got loose.....

Here's where it gets ugly. The BEST plan actually involves staying a couple of steps in front of a fat guy.

The extremely unfortunate realistic plan involves my wife taking me three year son and running while I square off against a 700lb eating machine. Unload quickly, reload quickly, unload quickly, and hopefully score a mortal shot that causes the animal to succum while he's busy eating me.

Like I said, not pretty, but with all those little kids in the audience who could run and live with himself afterwards?
 
TRUE STORIES:
A circus worker once put down a sick elephant with a .22RF and killed it, because he knew where to place the shot.
A elephant hunter in Africa shot an elephant with a large caliber "elephant gun" and the creature went down. He walked up to it to have his photo taken next to his trophy, and since he hadn't placed the shot correctly, the creature was only knocked unconscious. Well, it recovered as the photo was being taken ... and sensing the funny two-legged critter with the boom-stick was the cause of its headache, promptly stomped it to death.
 
That's gotta be pretty crazy dropping something sooooooooooo much bigger than a human. Like demolishing a building or something, epic...
 
Posts like this give me a headache. Use spell check, dude.
Ok I am not the best speller in the world. I can not use spell chech for what ever reason here at work but just on THR.
SORRY FOLKS its fixed now
 
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Having a rifle that can take down an elephant should be standard practice for any zoo that has elephants. Pumping the poor critter full of lead for several minutes is, frankly, cruel. They should have something that can take it down in one or two shots.
 
Elephants in muste can need putting down NOW --whatever weapons are available. I have been charged by one, but escaped. I had a brother-in-law killed by one is the golden triangle area.
 
Shame on you, only circus you should go to is the cirque du soleil:)(did I spell it right?) I've actually never been to a circus, maybe one day I'll go. I did know a guy that got defecated on by an elephant though! I'd not want to face an elephant w/o an elephant caliber and a backup shooter maybe.

I wonder if a well designed 12ga slug would do well. Don't circuses have a plan for in case the elephant goes berzerk?
 
....Perhaps animals aren't meant to be caged like this and trotted out every so often in front of an audience of yammering humans? This sounds like the mentality of prison wardens: Now that you've got these creatures in the cages against their will, you have to wonder.... Just when are they going to turn on you?

The answer is simple. Circuses are BS and they cause a lot of stress for the animals involved.

Personally, I'm on the elephant's side. We have got to be the most destructive, self absorbed species on this earth.
 
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