Click to Recall Joaquin Jackson!!

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Yeah I have been reading the thread on GT.

The part that gets me most is that because these comments were made a good while back people are willing to overlook it.

Just because this guy hasn't said anything since then doesn't mean his core beliefs have changed. If they had you'd think he would be out evangelizing that fact.

I had never heard of Mr Jackson before this, and I have never heard of Jeff here either until this thing came up.

Is Mr Jackson aware of a storm building against him?
I think so. I sent a copy of the petition, which has links, to Jim Land, NRA Secretary. He said he'd send it on to Mr. Jackson. He needs time to prepare his 500 word statement if he chooses to prepare one.

As long as we get the required numbers there will be a recall vote. The only thing the Hearing committee does is look at the issue and prepare a statement in support or not. If split they'll prepare two statements, a minority and majority view. These will accompany the two 500 word statements with the ballot when it is sent to the membership this Spring.

I've spent most of my online time on GT. This forum and others I've been visiting lately are new for me to post in although in most I set up my account years ago.

Cheers!
 
Great work Stevemis! I'll go back and try to put this on the other forums I've got this on.

Thanks! Making PDF documents is really easy on a Mac. You click "Print" and then in the print options "Save as PDF". Poof, magic.

I'd happily sign, but I'm just a plain jane member of the NRA.

I hope this ultimately succeeds and the NRA can get back to doing what it's supposed to be doing..

Steve
 
i never voted for Mr. Jackson because i do not trust law enforcement folks who i do not know to represent me on the NRA Board. Jackson was re-elected to the board this year. The next chance to get him off the NRA Board will come in 2010.
 
i never voted for Mr. Jackson because i do not trust law enforcement folks who i do not know to represent me on the NRA Board. Jackson was re-elected to the board this year. The next chance to get him off the NRA Board will come in 2010.

IF the recall doesn't work. The next chance to get him off the board is going on right now by means of a recall petition, as provided for in the NRA Bylaws, Article IX.
 
589 dl's as of edited time.

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 1
New Jersey - 1
North Dakota - 1
Texas - 1
Virginia - 5


Any one particularly successful at copying then distributing these petitions?

I'm trying to get an idea about how many are out there. 525 isn't going to cut it. We'll need (I'm guessing) at least 2,000 in order to get the "100 in each of three state" minimum if we depend purely on the downloads.

This will require several successful attempts at gun shows within one state, x three.
 
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Wouldn't it be less work to educate the man? Just a suggestion.
The guy's got 36 years in Law Enforcement, what could I say to him that will change his mind?


And, you might say, I am not educating him as much as others who may hold his positions dear.

Bottom line is it's not my place to force anyone to believe what I want. I just don't want folks who believe as he does to represent me on the Board of Directors of the NRA. He's made his choices freely, so have I.
 
589 dl's as of edited time.

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 1
New Jersey - 1
North Dakota - 1
Texas - 1
Virginia - 5

Any one particularly successful at copying then distributing these petitions?

I'm trying to get an idea about how many are out there. 525 isn't going to cut it. We'll need (I'm guessing) at least 2,000 in order to get the "100 in each of three state" minimum if we depend purely on the downloads.

This will require several successful attempts at gun shows within one state, x three.
 
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"The guy's got 36 years in Law Enforcement, what could I say to him that will change his mind?"

I don't know, but it wouldn't hurt to ask him what it would take. Might be a lot less work and we'd end up a better Director on the Board.

I thought the idea was get MORE gun owners working together, not to thin the ranks until we're down to the true believers.

John
 
I don't know, but it wouldn't hurt to ask him what it would take. Might be a lot less work and we'd end up a better Director on the Board.

I thought the idea was get MORE gun owners working together, not to thin the ranks until we're down to the true believers.

John

I believe that's why this line (or something very similar) is mandated to be in the petition (the inner quotes); "This petition “may be withdrawn by the sponsor without notice to, or approval by, the signators.” NRA Bylaws, Article IX, Sec. 2 (b) (4)"

If Mr. Jackson and I were to come to terms this allows me to discontinue my effort.

Now this has become an effort by more than just me. I am effectively the conduit of the voices of hundreds (and hopefully thousands) of NRA members who are tired of waffling, counter-productive, (might I say backstabbing?), appeasing, elitists who claim to do my bidding then turn around and decide what's best for me. I find this particularly galling when it comes from a person who has sworn to "protect and defend" the Constitution and should know better. In fact, I'm sure they know better and yet have decided to run contrary to the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment. To go even a step further to turn around and concoct a lie in a feeble attempt to cover it up is especially enlightening as to what real core character values reside in the "inner man".

Now my name and address is prominently printed on each and every petition, one of which was delivered to Mr. Jackson by Mr. Jim Land, NRA secretary. I have yet to receive his call (I'm in the book) or letter to work anything out. I don't expect it. As I'm speaking now for many I wouldn't short circuit this effort on a mere whim. Matter of fact, short of his voluntarily stepping down I'm sure I won't withdraw this petition. This message needs to be heard.

Possibly even of more importance to completing this action against a board member who has run afoul of the Constitution and the Bylaws of the NRA, is the clear shot across the bow for future board members who choose to narrow the 2nd Amendment on their own. My wish is that this "house cleaning" will only have to be done once. But if this fails, and the forces of appeasement see weakness in the "politically incorrect gun crowd" they may become emboldened to sacrifice "black guns" (and their brethren) on the alter of "bidding time for sportsmen and hunters." You're either for all firearms or you're for none. (Re: Martin Niemoeller's quote.)

Now is the time to see just where we are. I will not leave the NRA but depending on how this goes will determine where I spend any future donation moneys.

As far as getting more members, how many have we lost because of the hair-brained compromise positions the NRA has taken in the past? I'm not knocking them and I am a big supporter of (because of some of the NRA's Quisling positions) the GOA, 2AF, KABA, CCRKBA, etc., but they are in existence precisely because the NRA started waffling and playing politics with 2A issues. How many potential NRA members are there?
 
Welcome New Jersey!! Now, get your buds on board and try and catch Virginia. She's walking away from the pack. California, eat her dust!
 
639 dl's as of edited time.

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Connecticut - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 2
Nebraska - 1
New Jersey - 1
North Dakota - 1
Texas - 1
Virginia - 5
 
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"In fact, I'm sure they know better and yet have decided to run contrary to the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment."

You're sure? Absolutely sure? You've spoken to the man? Who is this they you speak of? I thought the petition was about one person.

John
 
You're sure? Absolutely sure? You've spoken to the man? Who is this they you speak of? I thought the petition was about one person.

In reverse order:
One man:
This petition is attempting to recall one man. The message the petition sends is to all current and future gun rights "leaders".

The "they":
Let's read the pertinent parts in context, (the sentence immediately preceding the "In fact.." sentence which because of the structure of the sentence would indicate to most that the "In fact" sentence is adding to or at least referring to the preceding sentence):

"I find this particularly galling when it comes from a person who has sworn to "protect and defend" the Constitution and should know better. In fact, I'm sure they know better and yet have decided to run contrary to the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment."

Therefore the "they" in the second sentence refers to those that swear to an oath to "protect and defend" the Constitution. Anyone taking an oath to protect and defend the Constitution (very noble, although this should be the standard and should be expected by all citizens of this country, or they should leave as they are not worthy of the country) should care enough to understand to what they are swearing to. Not understanding the Constitution after 3 plus decades in law enforcement and serving on the board of THE preeminent gun rights organization this world has ever seen indicates one of two things, neither good. Ignorance of the USC-BoR or a divergent belief in what the document professes. Personally I don't want or think it's good to have LEO's "protecting my rights" when they don't know what they are and even worse is an LEO working against the USC-BoR because his beliefs don't follow it. Both apply to serving in a leadership position in the NRA too. You, or Mr. Jackson, will never convince me that he was ignorant of the meaning and intent of the Founding Fathers. Granted, governments and bureaucracy's breed incompetence but I will not give Mr. Jackson the benefit of that doubt. I will give him full and complete credit in that as an experienced adult with decades of law enforcement experience he knew exactly what he said when he said it. He has said what he has said. His explanation isn't adequate and dodges the issues of the original statement. His third explanations, given via email to folks that emailed him (at least the ones I've been in contact with), don't make any sense in context to the original statements either. There is no reason for me to talk to him at present. He's pretty much laid it all out himself. I'm simply asking for a "reality check" on this.

I'm sure?
Of this, I am sure.
 
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One man shouldn't be able to remove a board member. I can't. Only with many men in agreement should this be able to happen.

That said, this petition will not work by just the folks that I contact signing up (1st order effect). To get the numbers we need we'll need to "network." The people you talk to (2nd order) and the folks they talk to (3rd order) and so forth, will be needed for this to work.

I've had well over 600 downloads to date. Sooner or later most of those will come in. yet so far, I'm only getting a trickle, 1 or 2 a day. Over the last four days I've only gotten 2 and they're for the most part spread out over many states. We need to get at least 100 in each of three states to validate the petition. I'll need to see which states are closest so we can redouble efforts to ensure the right numbers. I'll bet the vast majority of voting members haven't a clue that this petitioin is going on. It'll require ALL of us to bring it up at our local clubs, ranges, in the field, even the grocery stores. All the voting members should, at the very least, be made aware of this so they can make a decision to support this or not. I can't do that alone. It takes you too. Not to convince them, but simply to provide a choice.

One man won't (and shouldn't) be able to take out one board member. But many men, in agreement, can.
 
ATL GA here. I'm in; will print and mail tomorrow.

Have people reached out to no-compromise groups like GOA, JPFO, GeorgiaCarry, GrassRootsNorthCarolina, and others?

I'll ping the ones I know and belong to; others?
 
ATL GA here. I'm in; will print and mail tomorrow.

Have people reached out to no-compromise groups like GOA, JPFO, GeorgiaCarry, GrassRootsNorthCarolina, and others?

I'll ping the ones I know and belong to; others?
Sounds great! I haven't sent anything to those groups. Sounds like a grand idea. I've posted on about a half dozen+ forums and hoped it would spread from there. Here's where it's gone so far (that I know of) and where I've been keeping the numbers updated daily:

ak-47.net
ar15.com
floridashootersnerwork.com
glocktalk.com
militaryfirearm.com
oa2.org
tacticalshooting.com
thehighroad.org
ambackforum.com
and the president of Norfolk County Rifle Range (Virginia) sent it out to his email list.

It'd be a BIG help to get this to other places/groups!
 
My petition is on its way to you from Massachusetts.

I've been an NRA Life Member since 1991.
 
Big Jump today!!

790 dl's as of edited time.

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Connecticut - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 2
Nebraska - 1
New Jersey - 1
New York - 1
North Dakota - 1
Pennsylvania - 2
Texas - 1
Virginia - 5
 
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Had a great day today. Went and shot in a USPSA match put on by Tino with the Fredericksburg R&GC with stage design by the folks from Shooter's Paradise. Tons of fun and as there were 5 classifier stages I shouldn't have to shoot "Unclass" (No class? haha) anymore!!


835 dl's as of edited time!!

Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info, got it Texas!)
California - 3
Colorado - 1
Connecticut - 1
Florida - 1
Georgia - 1
Illinois - 1
Maryland - 2
Massachusetts - 1
Nebraska - 1
New Jersey - 1
New York - 1
North Dakota - 2
Pennsylvania - 2
Texas - 2
Virginia - 5
Washington - 1
 
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