Current production 16 gauge

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As my screen name implies I am admittedly "old school". Does anybody currently produce a proper 16 ga.? By proper I mean a 16 with it own dedicated frame, not a 12 with a 16 ga barrel. Anyone who has ever shot one knows what I am talking about, they just handle right.
 
After watching their promotional video (see other thread), I would be inclined to believe Holland & Holland do still produce such shotguns. It is worth a look at their website, I think. :D
 
I had to go and look on their (H&H) site; I am now officially depressed.

Yeah, they still make a 16 gauge. The "Royal" side by side starts at 71,500 British Pounds. That's only $107,139.97 at todays exchange rate.

My suggestion to the OP is to look for a nice old Parker, A.H. Fox, or Ithaca if you've got a bit of money to spend. For less, you can find a nice Savage Fox B. I love mine; made in 1962, solid as a rock. I'm old school, too, SxS is what I like, never shot an O/U. Have you looked at 16 gauge shotshell prices? I hope you've got a better source than I do. What I can find down here is about 40% more than 12 or 20 gauge.
 
Check with Dickinson (Dickinson Arms). I know their 12, 20, and 28 are each on their own scaled frames, but I haven't even seen a review on a 16. Cabelas carries them down here, and I have a hankering for a 28 gauge.
 
Obviously Ithaca still makes the 37 Featherlight in 16 gauge, but I'm not sure if it is a 12 gauge with a 16 gauge chamber/barrel... it is only 0.2 pounds lighter than the 12 (12 gauge is 7.6, 16 is 7.4, but the 20 is 6.8).

Not sure what imported break actions are still in production like CZ or Turkish ones like TriStar
 
I sold my beloved Browning 16ga many years ago. You might have a better go with a 16ga now if you roll your own ammo. You can get red AA 16ga wads today. But don't expect to walk into walmart and find good ammo when you want it for a 16ga.
 
Thanks for the input so far, kinda thought I would have to shop for nice used guns, not that this is a problem. Bangswitch, like you, I also like sxs, around here an ok condition Savage runs around $400, $5-600 for a Sterlingworth. I like to handle before I buy, so I've never bought online. Oddly enough, 16 ga. shells go for the same as 12 or 20, only difficulty is finding buckshot for deer hunting. The Ithaca could be an option as well.
 
Each of the current (Ohio built) Ithaca 37's still has its own dedicated frame. There is not much difference between the frames of the 20,16 and 12s, as they are all the same width. The difference is/was in the height of the receiver, as certain internal components are interchangeable, while others are gauge specific.

What added the weight to the current guns and the 16ga in particular (as opposed to the 16ga 37s you remember) is the barrel. The Ohio built barrels are made out of a thicker and heavier steel than the old ones.

Add in the fact that the Ohio built 16ga is built on a 3" length receiver, brings the weight up to what you see today.

In order to chamber 3" shells, the Ithaca receivers had to be lengthened 1/4". Only the 20 and 12 were redesigned. (back in the day) (caveat, I have not had the chance to hold a 16ga built after the change to physically verify this fact). (However, Ithaca Gun's website specifies Ohio built 16ga guns -vs- prior made 16ga guns for certain parts that would be affected by length).

The extra steel, in addition to a heavier barrel is what brought the 16ga up to it's current weight.

This is the reason that I have scavenged parts and built my own 16ga hunting guns. A person can do the same by finding an older 16ga with a serial nbr that is after 855,000. Then buy an Ohio built barrel. You would have the advantage of better steel but still have the benefits of a 2 3/4" receiver.

With that said, the Ohio built Ithaca 37's ARE really nice guns.

A friend of mine hunts with a recent production CZ 16ga SXS. I did not handle it, but visually it sure looks to have been built on its own frame. It is a very cool gun.
 
Thanks to all for your help. Dr cook, thanks also for the links you posted, lots of good info. Looks like I have a few more options than I thought. Ammo is not much of an issue here either, only buckshot is tough to find, and most local stores don't charge a premium for 16 ga.
 
. I like to handle before I buy, so I've never bought online.

Same here; even good pictures don't let you feel how tight the lockup is, or what different light can show. I got lucky a month ago, I was looking for a 16 gauge to go with my 12 and 20. I found what looked like a fairly nice one on Gun Broker. The seller was local to me, the gun had only a few hours left on the auction with no bids. I called them, they said they'd sell it off the auction, so I went and looked at it, and picked it up.

Gun shows might provide some possibilities, too. There were several LC Smith and AH Fox guns at the one this past weekend near me. Prices were about what I'd expect to see, but sometimes the sellers will bargain if they feel a sale can be made.

Gander Mtn sometimes has something on their site. They will send it to a store local to you, I don't think you're committed to buy it prior to inspecting it.
 
If you look around at some of the used guns at the pawn and gun shops you might come across a nice Browning "Sweet Sixteen" auto five. This might be what you're looking for.
 
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