D.C. gun case may hit Chicago (Tribune Article)

[CountGlockula]

Man, Chicago makes California look like Disneyland.

 

[Old Fuff]

Before anyone starts dancing in the streets, keep in find that if the Court desides to NOT hear the case, Washington D.C.'s law will be history, but all of the others, Chicago in particular, will still be intact. We have come a long way, but we haven't won the gold ring yet.

 

[hotsauce]

Yeah, but it has it parts that I love. People suck period and that why I live in the "boonies" now. I've been almost everywhere in the U.S. and for some reason I love Chicago. Denver is a very close 2nd though.

 

[elrod]

hotsauce

Quote:
"Chicago is an awesome place to live or visit if you can put up with cold weather which I love. If this happenes I will not return and that makes me sad. The crime rates will go through the roof over night and getting mugged at gun point sucks. D.C. just flat out sucks anyway IMO so I really do not care about ever going there again."

Are you saying that you are in favor of the status quo........

 

[Soybomb]

If this happenes I will not return and that makes me sad. The crime rates will go through the roof over night and getting mugged at gun point sucks.

I'm a little confused, you're saying you think if the handgun ban in chicago were overturned that crime rates would up? I believe the criminals in chicago are already demonstrating that they have no trouble getting guns.

 

[lee n. field]

WASHINGTON - Those who would do away with Washington's near-total ban on handguns will tell you point-blank their next target: Chicago.

**** straight!

as Americans for Book Control.

CLICK! (light bulb on.) A4BC would make a wonderful parody group.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Well, NL, it's not a good beef.

Yeh, Dave--but it's mine. And it's worth at least what it cost you, right?

Regards,

Mike

 

[Redneck with a 40]

Personally, I hope the SCOTUS hear's this case and it goes our way. I will be dancing with joy in the driveway if this comes to fruition. I would love nothing more than the see Wash DC's rediculous handgun ban thrown out and then to have Chicago's ban thrown out as well, seeing Mayor Daly's reaction to this would be priceless. As an added benefit, the Brady Campaign would no longer have a mission, I'll bring the padlock for the door's. I would like nothing more.

 

[v35]

curb your enthusiasm

Overturning the DC gun ban, if that were to even happen, does not mean that you will be able to stroll into a gun shop, buy one, and carry it like in most places in the civilized world.

There is no outright handgun gun ban in New Jersey, for instance, but the procedures for legally purchasing one are over-the-top ridiculous, not to mention time-consuming and costly. Carry permits are limited to the elite, wealthy, and well-connected. One's 2A rights are thus effectively denied in places like Newark and the peaceful utopias like it.

I am not an attorney but from my experience the outcome of this court ruling will be anything but clear-cut and simple.

I don't want to be a wet blanket but it seems to me the best one can hope from Heller is a simple removal of the all-encompassing ban that now exists, making DC more like NJ and NYC. The road from there to fully realizing 2A rights in places like Chicago is a long and bumpy one.

This fight may never end, but fight we must.

 

[Gator]

+1 for V35.

Also, even if the SCOTUS hears Heller, there is no guarantee they will decide in our favor. Some very strange decisions have come out of the Supreme Court, "conservative" panel or no. Gun-rights advocates should be just as worried as the gun-banners.

Chicago is an awesome place to live or visit if you can put up with cold weather which I love. If this happenes I will not return and that makes me sad. The crime rates will go through the roof over night and getting mugged at gun point sucks.

Chicago is a broke, corrupt, principality lorded over by one of the biggest crooks in American political history. My current job has me in Crook county, but the only time I will go into the city is for jury duty. I wish we could build a wall around Chicago and seal it off from the rest of the State. And more guns in the right hands will cause crime rates to go down not up; as has been proven all over the country.

 

[Durruti]

As an added benefit, the Brady Campaign would no longer have a mission, I'll bring the padlock for the door's. I would like nothing more.

Me neither, but it won't happen. If the court rules that the government can pass any gun ban it wants, would pro-gun groups close up? Did anti-abortion groups shut down after Roe v. Wade?

Overwhelming victories for us will invigorate the antis and bring more supporters and donations to them.

I'm hoping for a big judicial success, too, but we can't harbor any fantasies that the struggle ends there.

 

[fast eddie]

The article does a good job of describing the gun banner's fears even if it lets them get thier sound-bites in.
It's disturbing to me that we've come to a point where we are relying on nine egg heads in an ivory tower to determine if we will be allowed to own firearms. I for one am nervous.

 

[streicherr]

V35 is exactly right. There's a big difference between an outright ban and an endless set of regulatory hoops to jump through. SCOTUS is unlikely to go way beyond the narrow scope of the case at hand.

How many court cases and years came between blacks winning the right to vote, and actually being able to vote? Poll taxes, literacy tests, etc.

Expect to see a flurry of "regulations" to create a defacto ban once the explicit ban is overturned once and for all. Cases to overturn those regulations will also take years to wind their way through the courts. That light you see at the end of the tunnel is simply a new train bearing down on the citizens of DC and Chicago, unfortunately.

Randy

 

[CNYCacher]

Dave Workman: I agree. Good article.

 

[Tom Servo]

[Dances around like a giddy schoolgirl]

I think I'll join you. I promise not to let my hands get all roamy this time

There's a copy of Fenty's appeal here.

This thing wouldn't stand up to a high-school debate team, so it's likely the SCOTUS will tear it apart. It tries to claim that, according to Emerson, handguns aren't covered by the 2A. If that argument fails, they try to claim under Presser v. Illinois that DC isn't bound by the Bill of Rights. Failing at THAT, it claims that DC should be allowed to ban handguns because they're "uniquely dangerous."

Then it quotes Kellerman. It limps to a conclusion by prophesising doom, claiming that handguns cause suicide, domestic abuse, and fatal childhood accidents.

The whole appeal is a house of cards propped up with wet toothpicks.

I can't imagine the SCOTUS not hearing it at this point, given that neither side of the debate will let it die quietly. Really, Fenty should have kept his mouth shut.

The crowning irony is that, if this goes the way I expect it to, we can all look forward to thanking Mayor Fenty, of all people, for the relaxation of many gun restrictions in this country.

 

[Gator]

He quotes Kellerman, but says Lott has been debunked? Typical

 

[Deanimator]

Yeah, but it has it parts that I love. People suck period and that why I live in the "boonies" now. I've been almost everywhere in the U.S. and for some reason I love Chicago.

I'm from Chicago and I simply loathe the place.

It is absolutely THE most bigoted city in the United States, bar none. And it's not just stereotypical White racism. Whites hate Blacks. Blacks hate Jews. Mexicans hate Puerto Ricans. Mainland Italians hate Sicilians. If there are [non-Mexican] aliens in Chicago, the Vulcans probably hate the Romulans.

The Chicago PD is a cesspool of corruption, brutality, racism, and outright criminality. The Federal prosecutor who prosecuted Scooter Libby is currently investigating a home invasion/burglary/kidnapping ring operating inside of the "elite" SOS unit. Last month's testimony in a mob trial included police collusion with organized crime. A cop shot an unarmed man in the head under a transit agency video camera and got a 30 day suspension... and a promotion. A 250lb., drunken, off-duty cop who stomped a 115lb. barmaid has been shown preferential treatment by police on multiple occasions. The City of Chicago is paying all of the legal bills of a retired police supervisor accused in civil court of running an organized torture cell within the police department. The City ADMITS that the torture happened. Coincidentally, Mayor Daley was the State's Attorney when most of the torture activity was going on.

***15*** people were murdered in Chicago between last Friday and this past Monday. That gun ban sure seems to be working out for them, huh? Look and see how many were murdered in Cleveland, Columbus or Cincinnati during that time, even though our streets are "flooded" with "hidden, loaded handguns". Maybe it's not the guns...

If Al Capone, Klaus Barbi and Uday Hussein got together and created their ideal city, it'd be Chicago.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Deanimator--you hit it on the money and made me spill my coffee--but don't you miss the pizza?

I honestly don't think that the SCOTUS is going to hear the case. They will let the ruling stand as is. D.C. will end up allowing the registration of pistols and Chicago will continue being Chicago owing to massive inertia.

 

[Deanimator]

Deanimator--you hit it on the money and made me spill my coffee--but don't you miss the pizza?

I honestly don't think that the SCOTUS is going to hear the case. They will let the ruling stand as is. D.C. will end up allowing the registration of pistols and Chicago will continue being Chicago owing to massive inertia.

Food USED to be what I considered one of the only good things about Chicago, but even that's been trashed by the Daley administration. Almost every side street on the North Side is now "permit only" parking. You're more likely to see Dick Daley tell the truth than to see main street parking. When I was in Chicago last Christmas, I discovered that that plague has spread to the South Side as well. Potentially, parking could cost more than dinner. I don't need those hassles. Pizzeria Uno used to have stores here in Cleveland. I guess Clevelanders couldn't handle good food on a large scale. But then I have described Cleveland as the place where, "Mayonaise on white bread is considered spicy ethnic food".

As far as the USC not hearing the case, it might be possible to craft a similar case for the District Court in Illinois that won in DC. That would require the Daley Junta to reopen the registration rolls to everybody, not just cops, city council members, people with bribes and Daley's flunkies.