Sylvilagus Aquaticus
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Yes, an excellent letter, Mr. Camp.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Regards,
Rabbit.
Dallas Reporter Ambushes Crime Victim and Accuses Him Of Being Trigger Happy
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Robert Hairless
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Bartholomew Roberts and News Shooter aren't advocating a group hug or any such thing. What they are advocating is an approach that has the potential for helping. It's the "carrot" part of the "carrot and the stick." If all you use is a stick even a jackass will refuse to budge after a while. You can't threaten people badly enough to make them your friends. Without friends all you will have are enemies.
Try thinking creatively about how to use this (and other situations) to make friends or at least to pry some minds open a little. There's no guarantee that anything you do will work but what is guaranteed is that we will lose unless we start making friends.
Somebody suggested that knowledgeable people offer themselves to the media as free fact checkers in specific fields. I'd add that in addition to being knowledgeable they must be reasonable and temperate. Hotheads and true believers will increase, rather than decrease, the harm. What we want is fairness, accuracy, and perspective. Responsible media people should want the same. Look for common ground instead of seeing nothing but barricades.
My suggestion is that instead of attacking the reporter to her employers we appeal to their sense of humanity and common decency.
Make the issue one in which they need greater sensitivity to the plight of this seventy year old man. This man lives poorly--in a junkyard--and struggles to earn a living. But predators have identified him as an easy target and they steal the best of what he can sell. (They wouldn't steal the worst.) It's sad when an award winning reporter who is praised for "sound and consistent reporting that gives voices to people who usually don’t have voices on the air,” attacks one of those "people who usually don't have voices on the air" for defending against the people who prey on him and others like him. Defenseless people need the media to speak for their right to defend against predators. The media shouldn't be defending the predators or attempting to gain sympathy for them.
Urge that station to reconsider its thinking and begin to given more sympathetic treatment to victims who try to protect themselves. Surely the station and its reporters would not be hostile to women who were raped and sympathetic to their rapists. Shouldn't they at least be open to the possibility that an elderly man deserves sympathy for having been repeatedly victimized and being put in the position where he has needed to protect himself and his property.
He didn't go looking for people to shoot. They were looking for a victim to exploit. When he has to defend twice, it's not a sign that he is "trigger happy." It's a sure and certain sign that he has been victimized repeatedly. We wouldn't blame a woman who has been raped twice. Why blame a man who has had to defend his property twice?
Try thinking creatively about how to use this (and other situations) to make friends or at least to pry some minds open a little. There's no guarantee that anything you do will work but what is guaranteed is that we will lose unless we start making friends.
Somebody suggested that knowledgeable people offer themselves to the media as free fact checkers in specific fields. I'd add that in addition to being knowledgeable they must be reasonable and temperate. Hotheads and true believers will increase, rather than decrease, the harm. What we want is fairness, accuracy, and perspective. Responsible media people should want the same. Look for common ground instead of seeing nothing but barricades.
My suggestion is that instead of attacking the reporter to her employers we appeal to their sense of humanity and common decency.
Make the issue one in which they need greater sensitivity to the plight of this seventy year old man. This man lives poorly--in a junkyard--and struggles to earn a living. But predators have identified him as an easy target and they steal the best of what he can sell. (They wouldn't steal the worst.) It's sad when an award winning reporter who is praised for "sound and consistent reporting that gives voices to people who usually don’t have voices on the air,” attacks one of those "people who usually don't have voices on the air" for defending against the people who prey on him and others like him. Defenseless people need the media to speak for their right to defend against predators. The media shouldn't be defending the predators or attempting to gain sympathy for them.
Urge that station to reconsider its thinking and begin to given more sympathetic treatment to victims who try to protect themselves. Surely the station and its reporters would not be hostile to women who were raped and sympathetic to their rapists. Shouldn't they at least be open to the possibility that an elderly man deserves sympathy for having been repeatedly victimized and being put in the position where he has needed to protect himself and his property.
He didn't go looking for people to shoot. They were looking for a victim to exploit. When he has to defend twice, it's not a sign that he is "trigger happy." It's a sure and certain sign that he has been victimized repeatedly. We wouldn't blame a woman who has been raped twice. Why blame a man who has had to defend his property twice?
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Prince Yamato
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I think many of you have a very good point.
The TV stations get it. They're probably going, "well, what do we do now?"
The answer from us should be, "accurate reporting". Report about the good aspects of gun ownership. Someone offer to take them shooting.
But a word of advice should ANY of you be our "ambassador" on TV: Dress nicely, no camo, no bubba talk, no political or religious endorsements.
Folks, we're winning the 2A fight in a HUGE way. Just remember, we need to stick to our guns.
The TV stations get it. They're probably going, "well, what do we do now?"
The answer from us should be, "accurate reporting". Report about the good aspects of gun ownership. Someone offer to take them shooting.
But a word of advice should ANY of you be our "ambassador" on TV: Dress nicely, no camo, no bubba talk, no political or religious endorsements.
Folks, we're winning the 2A fight in a HUGE way. Just remember, we need to stick to our guns.
fyi, for future instances like these where a video is put on youtube and there is a chance it will be taken down for "damage control", you can use http://downloadyoutubevideos.com/ to make sure the "proof" doesnt disappear. i believe the video format is .flv, which can be converted for free to the desired format using www.media-convert.com
JasonblkZ06
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Working Man
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"Media item not found!"
Any other links?
trueblue1776
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Nix- good form
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Omaha-BeenGlockin
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How can they claim copyright when they posted it ---for free---on the PUBLICLY OWNED airways???????
Double Naught Spy
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How can they claim copyright? They posted it on their own web site where the material is copyrighted. They control the content. It is that simple. Nobody else has their permission to distribute it.
tydephan
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Working Man said:
The LiveLeak link is still functional. Be sure to use this reference instead of the youtube if you are referencing the video in any form of correspondence.
Kimber1911_06238
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rediculous, if he was trigger happy, the reporter would have been shot too...
News Shooter
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If I can find his address I'm going to send him $5 to help pay for his new Remmie
Dravur
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Actually,
If you can find his address, Im in for $10
The Police took the guy's gun, I'm down for helping him pay off the new one.
Found the Address...
Able Walton Machine & Welding
2007 Chalk Hill Rd
Dallas, TX 75212
Im sending a check today.
If you can find his address, Im in for $10
The Police took the guy's gun, I'm down for helping him pay off the new one.
Found the Address...
Able Walton Machine & Welding
2007 Chalk Hill Rd
Dallas, TX 75212
Im sending a check today.
xjchief
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That was terrible.
Working Man
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tydephan, thats so odd.
This morning when I tried is when I got that message.
Thanks for the reply.... it made me check again.
This morning when I tried is when I got that message.
Thanks for the reply.... it made me check again.
Flintknapper
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Excellent idea!
I just returned from the post office. Mailed "James" a letter of support and a $10.00 check.
Started a thread asking others to do the same at: http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_Forum/index.php
This man needs to know we support him.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Actually the police have two of his shotguns in evidence now... that is what Mr. Walton was doing when Rebecca Aguilar ambushed him - buying a third shotgun just in case someone decides that the coast might be clear now.
JasonblkZ06
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The "report" by Rebecca Aguilar on James Walton and the break-ins into his home was the most disgusting, reprehensible newscasting I have seen in my life.
This man is protecting himself in a horrible part of Dallas, and you have the nerve to harass and berate him??!!
Where are the reports and heat against the Dallas Police? The City of Dallas? Why is this man suffering from so much crime? Why are his countless pleas and calls to Dallas PD going without response or increased patrol? THAT is the news, THAT is the issue!
Shame on you! Shame on Fox 4! Shame on Ms. Aguilar. Shame on the producers.
I demand the termination of Ms. Aguilar. I demand the termination of the producer or producers that allowed this filth to be aired. I demand the termination of the management employee(s) who assigned this report to her. I demand an on-the-air apology to Mr. Walton and the people of DFW.
I am contacting the Fox nationally to complain as well.
Until this is done:
I am contacting your advertisers to advise them that I will not be purchasing any of their products while they continue to advertise with Fox 4. I will not watch your station or support you in any way.
Sincerely,
Jason King
This man is protecting himself in a horrible part of Dallas, and you have the nerve to harass and berate him??!!
Where are the reports and heat against the Dallas Police? The City of Dallas? Why is this man suffering from so much crime? Why are his countless pleas and calls to Dallas PD going without response or increased patrol? THAT is the news, THAT is the issue!
Shame on you! Shame on Fox 4! Shame on Ms. Aguilar. Shame on the producers.
I demand the termination of Ms. Aguilar. I demand the termination of the producer or producers that allowed this filth to be aired. I demand the termination of the management employee(s) who assigned this report to her. I demand an on-the-air apology to Mr. Walton and the people of DFW.
I am contacting the Fox nationally to complain as well.
Until this is done:
I am contacting your advertisers to advise them that I will not be purchasing any of their products while they continue to advertise with Fox 4. I will not watch your station or support you in any way.
Sincerely,
Jason King
Bartholomew Roberts
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Got this message back in response to my email:
Received the response about two days after the email was sent, so I am guessing they are pretty buried right now. Tonight at 5:30 should be the Viewer's Voice that deals with this incident and the response to it. I am interested to see what they do.
This morning they normally have the "Tell It To Tim" segment that is similar; but apparently Tim decided to take a vacation after answering the first wave of angry callers who decided to tell it to him and his segment is on hiatus until next week. Wonder if they will do the same with Viewer's Voice?
Fox4 said:
Received the response about two days after the email was sent, so I am guessing they are pretty buried right now. Tonight at 5:30 should be the Viewer's Voice that deals with this incident and the response to it. I am interested to see what they do.
This morning they normally have the "Tell It To Tim" segment that is similar; but apparently Tim decided to take a vacation after answering the first wave of angry callers who decided to tell it to him and his segment is on hiatus until next week. Wonder if they will do the same with Viewer's Voice?
Mr. Roberts, do you have the text of your email? I searched through the thread here and wasnt able to find it. The person responding to you says that he did not like the tone of your email, and I cant imagine you using any kind of hostile language in your email. Would you possibly post or point me to the text of your email?
ETA:
I fear I misread the gentlemans email to you. I thought that he didnt like the tone of your email when it seems he may have been trying to say that he did not like the tone of Ms. Aguilar's report.
ETA:
I fear I misread the gentlemans email to you. I thought that he didnt like the tone of your email when it seems he may have been trying to say that he did not like the tone of Ms. Aguilar's report.
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chipperi
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It's back up...Funny that Fox 4 has hundreds of videos on youtube. But only challenge the copyright on the ones that make them look bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ivr8LyvdYY
She is currently suspended and hopefully fired.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ivr8LyvdYY
She is currently suspended and hopefully fired.
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