Daniel Defense AR15 - One Of The Best?

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If you mean standard military issue AR accuracy an Arsenal AK74 will be equal if not damn close.

I've heard plenty of good things about DD. As far as milspec its my unerstanding that their only part that is not milspec is their barrels.
You cant be serious are you? I had, yes had an arsenal ak, and at 100 yards it looked like a shotgun blast.

Not sure what other posters are talking about, but let me tell you from experience, high end AR's are a joke, I had 2 LWRC's, both over $2k new, neither of them worth the money I paid and I was glad to get rid of them. Best ar for the money is an LMT, but they run over $1700 new. The DD M4V1 can be had for under $1200, not exactly sure how people consider that high end? Hell, colts and S&W's go for more.

I was going to post the video, but someone beat me to it. I just sold my last LWRC and I am buying a Daniel defense. Two rifles I should of never sold were my scar 16s and my LMT, both were fantastic rifles. But I needed to fund other things. My mistake is your lesson.

Oh yeah. My first AR was a DD about 10 years ago, and I never had any problems with it. I just thought by spending more $$$ I got better firearms. Not the case. My sig scorpion out shot my $3k Wilson, that is why I sold it.

I am learning practical, not tacticool. People need to learn that, unless they just want to have a "look at why I have" gun.

Go with a DD and dont look back.
 
You cant be serious are you? I had, yes had an arsenal ak, and at 100 yards it looked like a shotgun blast.

There was either something wrong with the gun or your shooting.


Not sure what other posters are talking about, but let me tell you from experience, high end AR's are a joke, I had 2 LWRC's, both over $2k new, neither of them worth the money I paid and I was glad to get rid of them. Best ar for the money is an LMT, but they run over $1700 new. The DD M4V1 can be had for under $1200, not exactly sure how people consider that high end? Hell, colts and S&W's go for more.

LWRC is hardly high end. Expensive sure but not high end. Also unless you are talking about an MRP why would you spend over $1700 on an LMT. They go for around $1,000. Finally Colt 6920s sell for under $1,000 right now. And S&W are even cheaper.


Oh yeah. My first AR was a DD about 10 years ago, and I never had any problems with it. I just thought by spending more $$$ I got better firearms. Not the case. My sig scorpion out shot my $3k Wilson, that is why I sold it.

Wow. You had a DD rifle 10 years ago? That is pretty impressive considering they were not released till 2008 or 2009.
 
Kwelz beat me to it.

A quality AKM type should shoot 3-5 MOA or so at 100 yards. Ammo is a factor as it is with ANY rifle.

I don't think that LWRC, POF-USA, and other proprietary piston designs that cost a lot should be considered "high end ARs" as they aren't really ARs. I would look at KAC and Noveske as the highest end, with LMT, BCM, DD and Colt very close behind.
 
You cant be serious are you? I had, yes had an arsenal ak, and at 100 yards it looked like a shotgun blast.

Not sure what other posters are talking about, but let me tell you from experience, high end AR's are a joke, I had 2 LWRC's, both over $2k new, neither of them worth the money I paid and I was glad to get rid of them. Best ar for the money is an LMT, but they run over $1700 new. The DD M4V1 can be had for under $1200, not exactly sure how people consider that high end? Hell, colts and S&W's go for more.

I was going to post the video, but someone beat me to it. I just sold my last LWRC and I am buying a Daniel defense. Two rifles I should of never sold were my scar 16s and my LMT, both were fantastic rifles. But I needed to fund other things. My mistake is your lesson.

Oh yeah. My first AR was a DD about 10 years ago, and I never had any problems with it. I just thought by spending more $$$ I got better firearms. Not the case. My sig scorpion out shot my $3k Wilson, that is why I sold it.

I am learning practical, not tacticool. People need to learn that, unless they just want to have a "look at why I have" gun.

Go with a DD and dont look back.

My friends Arsenal is easily a 3-4 moa gun at 100 yards.

Colt 6920s can be found at several dealers online for under or right at 1k.
 
There was either something wrong with the gun or your shooting.




LWRC is hardly high end. Expensive sure but not high end. Also unless you are talking about an MRP why would you spend over $1700 on an LMT. They go for around $1,000. Finally Colt 6920s sell for under $1,000 right now. And S&W are even cheaper.




Wow. You had a DD rifle 10 years ago? That is pretty impressive considering they were not released till 2008 or 2009.
I meant to say 2 years ago, not sure how 10 got in there. And you better go look at your prices, your crazy. CDNN is selling S&W's for $1100. And an LMT piston is not $1000, their basic model is, which is what I was reffering too. Thanks for breaking down every word of every sentance of my post, do you get out much? :rolleyes:

Do you guys still think you can get an sks for $69 and 400 round of ammo for $100 out the door? Wait, I hear Madonna playing in the background, welcome to 1985.
And your opinion of high end is noted, but your wrong, LWRC and LMT are high end guns in the ar world. HK, and KA are just idiotic prices for not that much better quality. So how do you say a $2000 noveske is high end, but not an LWRC? Hell, a Wilson combat or Les Baer AR is made by hand, does that qualify as high end? Your version of high end may be a Volvo, but mine is a Maserati, in the end, it is the person buying the item.

But opinions are like...........I got one and so do you, and yours stinks.:neener:

There is not one colt 6920 under $1000, here is a link, go check it out, and how does a AR without a monolithic upper, in fact having a 2 piece handguard even compare to an LWRC? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Se...eframe=0&Keywords=Colt+6920&Cat=3024&Items=50
 
There is not one colt 6920 under $1000,
These folks have them for $980 - http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=6920.
CDNN is selling S&W's for $1100.
CDNN is selling some of S&W's top of the line models at that price. Bud's has plenty of models of S&W M&P15 for under $1k - http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/36_763_977.
how does a AR without a monolithic upper, in fact having a 2 piece handguard even compare to an LWRC?
Reliability, and the better accuracy typically seen with DI ARs vs. that of most piston driven ARs.

Anyway, that aside, I think what Kwelz, and Z-Mich took objection to was that you stated:
The DD M4V1 can be had for under $1200, not exactly sure how people consider that high end? Hell, colts and S&W's go for more.
The answer is that even though the DD M4V1 doesn't have a monolithic upper, the included Omega-X rail is one of the lightest, strongest, and best made rails on the market. I'm not sure what a monolithic upper actually does better functionally. The cold hammer forged, hard chromed, Mil-B-11595E steel barrel exhibits very good accuracy for a chrome lined tube, and is showing signs of being extremely durable. DD also uses very high quality materials, parts, and assembly methods throughout their rifles. Just because the price isn't high doesn't mean the rifle is low end. It just means that $900 Bushmasters, and some of the $1000 S&W's are overpriced.
 
OK, exactly my point, nothing wrong with a DD. I feel it is priced well with all the features, but some on here think they are a high end AR, which is what I was disputing. Not sure where I am saying it is low end, or not worth the coin.

People gave me grief over my scar, but it out shot any ar put against it that I saw. Am I good shot, I don't know, but I know at 100 yard I was within 1" every time.

My point is that you do not have to spend thousands of dollars on an ar to get a good one. I went into the LWRC world with high hopes and they got smashed. But some on here want to discredit what I am saying, even though I agree with them. I don't get it.

Ever see a DI gun race against a piston gun? The DI eats the oil away, smokes it bad. That does not happen with a piston. It is made to have a higher rate of fire, and more of a longevity since the lubricant is staying where it should be.

This is not a thread of DI vs piston. Guy asked about a DD, and like always, someone has to interject their personal feelings about other brands. I love the internet sometimes, you get questions like this

I am interested in a new Chevy pickup, anyone have one, likes, dislikes?

And some schmuck comes along with a one word answer.............FORD! Come one people.

OP's original question, is DD worth it, my answer, is yes.
 
OK, exactly my point, nothing wrong with a DD. I feel it is priced well with all the features, but some on here think they are a high end AR, which is what I was disputing. Not sure where I am saying it is low end, or not worth the coin.

I think therein lies the problem. The DD is certainly a high end AR15. They have proven to consistently be a top quality product with superb materials and assembly methods. They are right up there with all the rest of the brands that are also high end ARs.

The problem with mentioning LWRC as a high end AR is that the LWRC brand bases their whole product line and marketing on the premise that the gas piston shoved into an AR15 platform is the ultimate answer to what people perceive as "problems" in the system. They ask a premium for their product, however, their system has its share of problems including some quality control issues. The gas piston AR trend seems to be running out of steam nowadays, with more and more people realizing that a top quality AR will run and run so long as it is lubricated. They really are a solution for a very specific niche (Suppressed SBRs in Select Fire) and the advantages remain unseen in Title 1 rifles and carbines.

In sum, for what an AR15 is and should be, yes, the Daniel Defense is considered high end, as is Colt, Bravo Company, LMT, Noveske, LaRue and even Spikes Tactical (M4carbine.net haters be damned).
 
OK, I don't know much about modern black rifles. I carried a Mattel rifle when I was in back in the 70's. So my question is, how would my GM HydroMatic Div M-16 from back in the day compare reliability-wise to what is being discussed here?
 
I'm pretty sure that a modern Ar15 will exceed the reliability of the original M16's by quite a bit.

The better Ar15's out there are quickly making a name for themselfs as the most reliable carbines around. BCM, Colt, LMT, Larue, Noveske, KAC aren't cutting any corners. I'm sure that DD is really good, but I've only seen a couple of those. Too soon to judge.

Nothing fancy is needed at all. It's just that we know exactly what it takes to make an AR reliable now. And certain brands have all of that, and certain owners adhere to proper maintenance.
 
Good ol' mil-spec. Look, all that means is the military put forth a standard to which everything fielded must meet. Doesn't mean it's great or absurdly durable. Heck the M-203 grenade launcher cutout on the barrel is 'mil-spec', yet totally useless for civilians.
 
If you can afford a DD, they're very nice. I'd recommend their M4V7 rifle (various places have them, or just call DD to have one shipped to your FFL of choice). A BCM rifle is another very good, somewhat more economical choice (build your lower, buy the upper from BCM). If you really want to get your money's worth, look at this (typed up by me for another forum member):

"I'd say go with a PSA Patrol carbine. It ships with an Aimpoint PRO (Patrol Rifle Optic) for a total of $1000. Their 14.7" hammer-forged mid-length is also a very good out-of-the box rifle, perhaps a better choice if you're a bigger guy (mid-length=longer gas system, softer shooting and easier on the parts, and longer handguard for a guy with longer arms). It's currently out there for $700, add the Aimpoint PRO which can be found online for $400 and you have a complete system again for about $1100.

The Aimpoint is regarded by those in harm's way as the best of the best. I'm not making that up, I'm not saying that as an attempt to justify my ownership of Aimpoints, I'm saying it as a fact. Ask on a website like lightfighter.net about red dots, you'll see what I mean. With either of these packages, you're getting the Aimpoint quality right there. Any red dot sight I'd put on any of my rifles would cost at least $150 (Vortex), I'm assuming you aren't going to spend $900 on a rifle and put a $25 airsoft optic on it, so assuming you're going to spend at least $100 on an optic, and the best of the red dots out there right now are Aimpoint, then you're spending your money most efficiently buying a $600 rifle and a $400 optic as opposed to a equal or lesser $900 rifle and a lesser $100 optic.

To make both of these combat-viable, in my mind complete weapons systems and not just range toys, just add a good sling (one- or two-point, pick your preference) and a flashlight. I'd suggest a VTAC padded two-point sling with a VTAC two-to-1 slider, and an Elzetta ZFL-M60 light in the Elzetta ZFH1500 mount. Magpul MOE furniture is another potential addition, if you don't like the stock handguard, pistol grip or stock.
That totals out, if I'm not mistaken, to about $1300 total for either system.

Now, assuming you've followed me on this (I ramble, so it's unlikely) you have a $1000 or $1100rifle/optic combo, $150 flashlight, a $30 flashlight mount, and $60 sling system. This totals out to approximately $1240 or $1340 before shipping and the FFL transfer fee you'll incur unless you're in good with your FFL (or you are an FFL). So call it $1300 or $1400 for a complete weapons system. If you add MOE furniture, you might be up another $50-$100, though used MOE furniture can be found on many firearms boards in decent shape for next to nothing.
SO for the cost of a Daniel Defense complete rifle, sans optic/light/sling (albeit, equipped with a free-float rail system, but most shooters will never need the rail system's capabilities, they don't shoot far enough), you get a complete weapons system with a high-quality optic, a great light, and a sling.

I'd suggest the PSA because you get near-Colt-level quality (far closer to mil-spec than RRA, Bushmaster, S&W or DPMS) for S&W Sport prices, and for the price of a Colt you can get that package with an optic. You're closer to a complete, reliable weapons system for a lot less money than any other offer out there, unless you build the rifle of course.

Of course, I'm making this suggestion on the assumption that this rifle may become a defensive carbine for you, and that you want the best. If you just want a range toy, maybe you don't need all this. But, just in case."

It applies well to most first-timers looking at AR-15's.
 
I picked up my DDM4v3 a year ago for around $1100 and I love it! Very nice quality, and it shoots better than I can that's for sure! I did shoot a few rounds of wolf through it and didn't like them at all (jam every other round). Everything else brass shoots great. If you can get your hands on a DD I promise you won't regret it! Plus it's made in the USA! :D
 
Good ol' mil-spec. Look, all that means is the military put forth a standard to which everything fielded must meet. Doesn't mean it's great or absurdly durable. Heck the M-203 grenade launcher cutout on the barrel is 'mil-spec', yet totally useless for civilians.
I've always associated mil-spec with lowest bidder or inside deal to fatten a politicians pockets clandestinely.
 
No one is saying that Mil-Spec is the zenith of quality. However, it is a standard that the military expects it's weapons to meet. Considering that the military will use their weapons both more than me and harder than me, it is a standard that I want.
 
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