determining COAL?

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I am trying to determine how far to seat bullets in order to put them certain distances "off the lands." I put a bullet into the chamber against the lands, put a cleaning rod down there and marked it. Then I put an empty cartridge in the bolt, chambered it, and marked that, then measured that distance. Am I correct in assuming that a round with an overall length of my measurement plus the distance of the primer's length is the COAL with the rounds jammed up against the lands?

If I am wrong, please let me know how to go about this. I love learning from y'all and look forward to your answers.
 
No, you are measuring it wrong.
Where the bullet contacts the rifling leade is determined by the shape of the bullet ogive.
You can't measure it with a cleaning rod and Chinese Algebra.

The easiest method, and as accurate as a $100 buck guage, is to get yourself a birthday candle.

Seat a bullet extra long in the case, then "smoke" the bullet with the candle flame.
Now, carefully chamber it.
The evenly spaced shiny marks on the bullet are from the rifling rubbing off the candle soot.

Keep seating a little deeper and smoking the bullet again until it is no longer, or just barely touching the rifling and is no longer rubbing off the candle soot.
Then use your calipers to measure the rounds OAL.

That is the correct OAL for "just touching the rifling" bullet seating.
But only with that specific brand, weight, and type of bullet.

Every other bullet is a slightly different shape, and will have a different OAL to touch the rifling..

rc
 
Hey! I didn't think of it either.

I think it might have been Harry Pope, or Buffalo Bill, or one of those old guys about 100+ years ago!

rc
 
Courtgreen, the process remodel describes is correct and works fine.

Unless the magazine in your firearm is too short.

For any magazine type firearm, handgun or long gun, the cartridge over all length (COAL) must be short enough to fit the magazine and long enough to function through the action of moving from the magazine to the chamber. Some semi-autoloader pistols and some lever action rifles will not function (very well) with too short an over-all length, depending on shape of bullet. Lifter type lever guns demand a specific COAL in order to operate.


Further - and not inconsequential - is the amount of space the base of the bullet takes up in the cartridge. The intrusion of the bullet into the case changes the volume of the case and that effects the pressure and pressure curve of the burning powder.

To illustrate, one develops an 'accurate' load in a rifle based on seating the bullet out to the lands. (I do this myself at times.) After finding a good load (powder and charge level), one finds this loaded cartridge will NOT fit the magazine. If one uses the same load and simply jams the same bullet deeper into the case with the same powder charge, one has increased the peak pressure level of the round. Probably not enough for a catastrophic failure of the rifle, but possibly enough to flatten primers and lock the fired case in the chamber.

I suggest one start with magazine or revolver cylinder length as primary basis for COAL and work from there.

For one of my accuracy rifles, I developed two loads; one for single loading (to lands) and one for repeated firing from magazine. The loads are not radically different, but they are different.

Have I confused you enough?
 
makes a lot of sense actually, except for one problem. In guns like the mauser isn't there more room (length) in the magazine than the chamber? (This is not a problem in what you said, it's my problem understanding)
 
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