Do you find accuracy fun?

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Seriously? With iron sights and a pistol capable of being concealed?
"Conceal" is also relative ;)

But I do it with my iron sighted 4" S&W 686 and my SIG 320 Carry

I'm not entirely sure I own any centerfire handguns physically capable of it.
I would think any quality service pistol or revolver would be able to hold 4" at that distance...most will hold <3" off a bench.

The rate you can shoot accurately at is a function of how quickly you can see your sights return to your original POA and having your trigger prepped and ready to break at that moment
 
With respect, I disagree. I believe it to be, based on logic, experience, and observation, that it is actually quite easy to practice either the wrong thing or bad habits.

I can’t disagree that bad habits can be formed from practicing bad technique; however, as much as technique differs from one discipline to another, just the practice of safe gun handling is, in and of itself, “good practice”.

I would go as far as saying just practicing muzzle control, dry fire, unload (make sure then) show clear and such are good practice as well.

While the development of bad habits can be curbed from doing nothing what are the other benefits from zero practice?
 
I can understand and have a bit of a different take on this.
The discussion was more in the line of hand loads and testing from a rest. Well other than Bench Rest Shooters I don't know anyone that routinely fires handguns from a rest. I believe even Bullseye competitions are shot free hand, unsupported. The pursuing argument was how can you judge accuracy firing unsupported.

My whole and sole purpose of testing this way is I want to know what to expect in a Real World, Real Time situation. Meaning if I cannot control the gun or the shot then what difference is there on how accurate a round is? I have my handguns for self protection not for scoring points on a paper target. Now I also feel comfortable enough with my skill level that I am relatively consistent in my shots. I know what I can do and what I cannot do, I accept that. I am also confident enough to believe that my reloaded ammunition is still more accurate than I am at this stage and age in my life.

Now if I were shooting to score points on a paper target then I would most likely change the way I do thing, starting with going from a Semi-Auto to a longer barreled revolver.

All of my bench rest shooting is done to evaluate the accuracy of the pistol and the loads in order to see what the gun is capable of. I don't really shoot bench rest for "fun", but it is fun to see how accurate the different loads are. I too am interested in real world accuracy, which is unsupported at various distances and speeds.
 
For those who obsess over accuracy I have no problem. I simply don't have the patience of a benchrest competitor. That's why this sport is so great. There's something for all of us.
 
I practice about 95% for "groups" 5% for speed. However I can run 1911s quick enough I have had more than 1 ranger ask me to disassemble my gun, look at it, run numbers, then tell me to run a mag slow so they can make sure its not full auto. Ahh blm land shooting. Raises a few eyebrows when you can dump all 10 on target before the first case hits the dirt. :rofl:
 
I am in the accuracy camp but there are different kinds of accuracy. I do pretty well in matches shooting paper targets and reactive targets and I find that to be good practice for hunting. However self defense may involve quick point and shoot not aimed. I was taught how to do that in the Army with a rifle. I have practiced that method for pistol shooting. In any case it is more important to hit your target than to throw lead downrange. But throwing lead downrange has it's place as well. Volume of fire can stop an advance and force retreat sometimes. In a gunfight, it is better to shoot the other guy before he shoots you as you can't count on him to miss or retreat. Training and practice in accuracy is pretty important to me.
 
I think of it like this when I'm in a stressful situation my accuracy is not going to get better it's going to get worse so I want to learn to be as accurate as I can with my carry gun. That said....it doesn't matter how accurate I am if I can't get the thing out of the holster or bring it up fast enough to use.
 
While I like to see how fast I can knock down a row of plates or clear a table of pins, I have more fun some of the time, by myself, seeing how small a group I can make at various distances, where my guns hit at 10, 25, 50 yards, and taking a quarter or a buck from a guy who says "you can't hit s4|t with a handgun" and, from rest, busting a clay bird on the hill within a cylinder full at a hundred yards. I shoot everything from carry guns (for fun and practice) to Contenders and 7 1/2" 44 mags for fun way out there.
Little brother and I used to conclude our annual 100 yard seven gun matches by shooting two targets at 100 yards, one for group, one for score each with a .357 and another pair with .44 mags. A deer hunter watched one day and went away amazed at our five inch groups. (He got four out of five on a paper plate that same day with his scoped 7 mag). We didn't always do that well and that was forty years ago so now I have to use the scoped C gun to have any kind of chance.
Fun can be had either in speed and efficiency or in deliberation and accuracy. I like both. But I like accuracy better if it is for recreation. Helps me feel like I would have a chance also knowing my carry gun can hit the six inch circle at 25 yards, regularly. Aim small miss small.
 
..I guess my question for other shooters here is, do you find getting small groups and optimizing accuracy fun, or think slow-fire at a single target boring and not really important in the grand scheme of a self-defense firearm?
Small groups for me with my self-defense weapon would be having a grouping of 10 consecutive rapid fire shots land on a 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper at 21', which would be considered center of chest mass or the size of a human head. If one can do that consistently, they're going to avert most threats.
 
Small groups for me with my self-defense weapon would be having a grouping of 10 consecutive rapid fire shots land on a 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper at 21', which would be considered center of chest mass or the size of a human head. If one can do that consistently, they're going to avert most threats.

Totally agree. Of late I have been training with Pocket gun and revolver consecutive head shots at 15 yds rapid fire. Of course other drills to be maintained as well.
Another thing I like to do is sit on a bench and shoot a 22.cal LCR to the bearn at 50 yds. Not target shooting per se, but just small bounce targets or clay pigeons. Us to shoot target with 22.cal but just found it got boring.
 
Small groups for me with my self-defense weapon would be having a grouping of 10 consecutive rapid fire shots land on a 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper at 21', which would be considered center of chest mass or the size of a human head. If one can do that consistently, they're going to avert most threats.
Yep.

Two assumptions I believe it...

1. Only hits really count and

2. “Gee, that’s a lousy 6 inch group you just shot in my chest!”...said no one....ever!

ETA: Don’t misunderstand my point...I appreciate accuracy, and as someone said, in a stressful situation, we will NOT become more accurate...so I do check ammo accuracy to ensure it’s not blatantly inaccurate, but I rarely shoot groups.

My personal “measuring stick” for ammo in a carry gun is if I can place six consecutive rounds on a metal plate at 25 yards, off hand, slow, careful shooting. I can currently do this with all my carry guns.

That said, I’ve never gotten into a gun fight to prove if my process is effective, and honestly never hope to.

YMMV
 
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