Do you support ANY gun-control laws?

[TexasRifleman]

I support the ban of fully automatic weapons, such as full auto shotguns, machine guns, and pistols. In my opinion they are dangerous even to an experienced person. One accident and you have like 10 bullets flying in random directions...and it is my belief that it isn't if you have a negligent or accidental discharge, its when.

You do know that those things are perfectly legal NOW and that the blood flowing accidents you talk about do not happen.

How do you explain that to yourself? Seriously. You say these things pose these dangesr yet the hundreds of thousands of them that are legallly owned don't do any of the things you worry about.

Why do they scare you ? You want to ban something because it MIGHT hurt someone, even though it's perfectly legal NOW and the things you worry about don't happen.

Wow. This is the perfect example of what I am talking about. Fear of an inanimate object with NO basis in reality, yet a person is ready to accept all kinds of restrictions.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Some of the posts in this thead make me scratch my head more than reading the Brady website.

 

[Pack]

I'm all for "know thy enemy", and all that, but you are a braver man than I for having read the Brady website.

I know that much of what we're railing against is irrational fear (of guns), and so I say this with caution and a light heart, but I'd seriously be afraid of my blowing a gasket if I looked for too long at their webpages.

 

[blkbrd666]

One accident and you have like 10 bullets flying in random directions...and it is my belief that it isn't if you have a negligent or accidental discharge, its when.

No, they actually all go in "pretty much" the same direction. I have been hunting and shooting since I was 5 years old(yes, sometimes without supervision at a young age) and I'm 46 now...I'll post on here if I ever have an accidental discharge.

Signing off would be giving in to that woman----

Are you talking about about your wife or the poster???

 

[AKElroy]

I support the ban of fully automatic weapons, such as full auto shotguns, machine guns, and pistols. In my opinion they are dangerous even to an experienced person. One accident and you have like 10 bullets flying in random directions...and it is my belief that it isn't if you have a negligent or accidental discharge, its when.
I also support background checks. I support sending firearms to FFL dealers across states. Thats about it.

You forgot .50's; no one needs one of those. Who on earth needs to be shooting at anything a mile away? Who needs a 30 rnd mag for anything? AK's aren't accurate enough for hunting, so they really don't qualify as sporting firearms. .500 S&W mag? Ridiculous. Buy a rifle already. Hollow points? They only exist to kill cops. Don't even get me started on that gun show loophole....being able to actually buy a gun from someone? Freaking crazy dangerous. Good to know at least that all class 3 holders will ultimately do themselves in with these out of control full auto's---No way they can ever learn how those crazy machines work. Marines shmarines---We just don't hear that most are apparently killed in weapons training.

 

[kyo]

you can be as sarcastic as you want, I do live in the US and I am allowed to have my opinion.
If you disagree so be it, I never said anything about anything else. I really enjoy it when they go to the extreme because of a little opinion. Way to put on peer pressure about gun ownership. And you wonder why most anti 2nd amendment people think gun owners like me are wackos. Try to be more articulate next time
Even the OP said the same thing I did, go give him some crap

You forgot .50's; no one needs one of those. Who on earth needs to be shooting at anything a mile away? Who needs a 30 rnd mag for anything? AK's aren't accurate enough for hunting, so they really don't qualify as sporting firearms. .500 S&W mag? Ridiculous. Buy a rifle already. Hollow points? They only exist to kill cops. Don't even get me started on that gun show loophole....being able to actually buy a gun from someone? Freaking crazy dangerous. Good to know at least that all class 3 holders will ultimately do themselves in with these out of control full auto's---No way they can ever learn how those crazy machines work. Marines shmarines---We just don't hear that most are apparently killed in weapons training.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Even the OP said the same thing I did, go give him some crap

The OP flat out lied and said that innocent lives were lost due to fully automatic weapons being used in the Hollywood bank robbery.

That is 100% untrue, the only lives lost were the 2 criminals.

Machineguns killed NO ONE that day.

 

[kyo]

I agree with this logic, although I'm open to an argument that I may be wrong.

I agree with it as well. Where is the confusion? Why get upset if the thread asked for an opinion? Chill out...

 

[AKElroy]

you can be as sarcastic as you want, I do live in the US and I am allowed to have my opinion.
If you disagree so be it, I never said anything about anything else. I really enjoy it when they go to the extreme because of a little opinion. Way to put on peer pressure about gun ownership. And you wonder why most anti 2nd amendment people think gun owners like me are wackos. Try to be more articulate next time
Even the OP said the same thing I did, go give him some crap

The post is supposed to generate discussion and often disagreement. That defines America for me & it's why I love THR. It was not my intention to offend; My apologies if that occured. You are totally wrong, though.

 

[sherman123]

I strongly oppose any gun control whatsoever. I believe we need to get rid of the '86 ban and any other bans on aow, automatic weapons,grenades and grenade launchers, destructive devices, etc...

 

[blkbrd666]

I just have to do this...this is an awesome post by sm.

Do you support ANY gun-control laws?

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HellNO!

I do not believe in any gun laws - period!


If a five year old kid, wants to buy a box of .22 rim-fire, they should be able to do so. If that same five year old kid wants to buy his mom, dad, or grandparent a box of ammo, they should be able to do so.


Folks got a right to carry a gun concealed, we don't need these stupid "permission papers".
We did not have these "restrictions" when I was coming up, folks carried a gun - period.

I started carrying a gun concealed about 3 rd grade.
So I think having a "legal age" is "restrictive". I have no problem with a teenager having a gun, and having it to commute to and from school, part time job, or checking on grandma...or...

Evil knows darn well a person under age 21 cannot carry concealed. Evil knows a person cannot have a gun on school property.

It did not used to be this way...
We had knives and guns in school, on the property, and in vehicles. We did not have problems.
And these were troubled times, and we still did not have problems.

If Anti Gun want their 16 year old daughter to submit, that is their right to do so.
Some of us feel a 16 year daughter has a right to have a gun, in her travels, and not become a victim of rape, and death, when she has car trouble.



A convicted felon, that gets out, has a right to protect themselves, and laws exist already, that deny a convicted felon gun rights, and other rights, as well.

Now a person such as a Creative Accountant, that served their felony time, should have their firearms rights restored, and other rights too.


The older I get, the more I see how Little Bitty Jesus and his Great Society has dumbed down American Society.

The Propaganda, and Brainwashing has worked, and is getting worse.

Where the hell is the America I was born and raised in!

 

[kyo]

The post is supposed to generate discussion and often disagreement. That defines America for me & it's why I love THR. It was not my intention to offend; My apologies if that occured. You are totally wrong, though.

I will accept that you think I am wrong. Good times.
No gun control laws means criminals buying them? Background checks are a form of background checks. So, who wants the bad guys to buy from the same store you do?

 

[MovedWest]

I voted YES because that 1 (ONE) gun control law that I support is the 2nd amendment!

"shall not be infringed" is #2 in the Bill of Rights and that's law enough for me!

-MW

 

[AKElroy]

you can be as sarcastic as you want, I do live in the US and I am allowed to have my opinion.
If you disagree so be it, I never said anything about anything else. I really enjoy it when they go to the extreme because of a little opinion. Way to put on peer pressure about gun ownership. And you wonder why most anti 2nd amendment people think gun owners like me are wackos. Try to be more articulate next time
Even the OP said the same thing I did, go give him some crap

I was very sarcastic, and I do apologize for offending you. I am very passionate about this & I do get carried away on occasion. I was attempting to illistrate that the mindset leading to your legitimate views are shared by some seeking to limit our rights beyond what you and I would find appropriate. Keep on posting & voicing your views; it's what makes THR a really special forum.

 

[TJ AK-74]

I do NOT support ANY gun-control laws. We would not need to make it illegal for felons to own guns if we would just lock them up and execute the rapists and murderers.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

So you're for the right to keep and bear arms, but against due process?

noted

 

[rbernie]

you can be as sarcastic as you want, I do live in the US and I am allowed to have my opinion.

Absolutely true. But we should all endeavor to actually make our opinion actually worth something, by making sure that it's an informed opinion that can withstand tempered adversarial debate.

The one thing that NOBODY has debated so far in this thread (or any threads that have preceeded it) are the DoJ statistics that show ZERO decrease in firearms-related crime stats post-1994.

For all of the feel-good, 'I think this/that/theother' and 'it's for public safety' of the dialogue so far, NOBODY has bothered to try to swing at that pitch.

And until somebody can come up with a way to marginalize that reality, then I cannot see how all of the proposed gun control (from weapons restrictions to Brady checks to FFL-only transfers to anything else) can be shown to have any validity of purpose other than to simply act as an impediment to bearing arms by law-abiding citizens.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Absolutely true. But we should all endeavor to actually make our opinion actually worth something, by making sure that it's an informed opinion that can withstand tempered adversarial debate.

I had a British Lit professor that once told a girl, before promptly kicking her out of class, " I don't know where you were taught that all opinions are created equally. "

 

[TJ AK-74]

I am for due process (its in the Bill of Rights along with the 2A). If someone is convicted of raping or murdering someone, then I think they should be executed. That is why we have capital punishment.

 

[CapnMac]

Scott:

what makes you think our forefathers would be against it

Well, to put a fine point on it, I think that it would assumed that a child was armed in the knowledge and consent of the child's parents. The possession would be the permission slip. if you will.

I'd guess from the contemporary records that a shop keeper would probably not sell a weapon to a minor without some evident evidence of parental approval. (Remember, in those days, you did not reach majority until 21, sometimes after having started your own family.)

Now, this also speaks to a grey area, too. Boy as young as early teens were regularly used as drummers and stretcher-bearers in military service--which would make them non-combatant members of the militia.

 

[TravisB]

My ICBM is just an inanimate object. It can't magically cause me to launch it.

It's totally irrational for anyone to worry about my possession of this ICBM, or the ICBMs of my fellow ICBM Club members. Now, if you'll excuse me, it's Show and Tell night at the club. After that, beer pong.

After that, a discussion of why so many people fear the mass production and distribution of ICBMs, which are merely inanimate objects with massive potential for causing death and destruction and can't actually make somebody use them for that purpose. Sheesh.

 

[kyo]

TJ AK 74, I agree with you. I will say this, if in fact people got the death penalty for committing crimes with firearms, I can see restrictions being lowered. I agree with more intense laws against idiots who roam our streets. I believe that if you take a life your should be taken back. It says it in the Old Testament. That is what the US law about self defense says. Its sad that only certain states have the death penalty

 

[TJ AK-74]

There may be a place for restrictions on ICBMs and such, and it definately should be illegal to own a NUKE, but as far as small arms go everything should be legal to own.

 

[kyo]

I honestly don't know this so I will ask. What are "small" arms? What is the limit to that? when do we get to "large" arms?

 

[BhmBill]

I support the ban of fully automatic weapons, such as full auto shotguns, machine guns, and pistols. In my opinion they are dangerous even to an experienced person.

LOL.

It's so hard to operate a tool that has 2 - 5 controls.

How oh how does anyone operate a piece of construction equipment (some asphalt pavers i've run has had as many as 120 controls)? Or even a car with a dozen controls?