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Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics and Training' started by Citadel99, Jul 30, 2019.

  1. alsaqr

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    Too many owners of dogs refuse to contain their animals. A four foot chain link fence absolutely will not contain a big dog. If your dog gets loose and attacks someone blame yourself.

    Many of the vicious dogs here are owned by citizens involved in the recreational pharmaceutical business. Most don't wear collars. Pit bulls sans collars run all over the place. Police here very often fail in efforts to identify the owner of an attacking dog. Many of the people who keep these dogs have little or nothing of value. Don't expect the owners insurance to pay your hospital bill if that person can be located.

    Dog fighting is still somewhat popular in parts of Oklahoma. A pit bull from a fighting line is very dangerous.

    Our sheriff's office generally don't handle dog calls. Sheriff encourages citizens to handle dog problems. If i killed someone's dog that posed no threat a deputy would likely write me up.

    At our rural properties i sometimes see dog photos on game cameras. The Great Pyrenees belonging to a sheep raising neighbor often show up on camera; they are big pussycats. The dogs belonging to a hog hunter who has permission to hunt our property sometimes show up on camera. Those dogs ignore everything except hogs.

    Sometimes stray dogs in that area without collars show up. An aggressive dog gets shot.
     
  2. Boattale

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  3. Jammersix

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    With no collars I'd probably adopt them.
     
  4. S&W620

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    Didn’t read through all the posts, but shooting a random dog on sight seems like overkill.

    I’d start with seeing if they’re just hungry or curious and maybe calling animal control if it’s a recurrent problem.
     
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  5. Balrog

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    How many would you adopt? Dogs get dropped off in the country by city people who abandon them. No one wants to adopt 4 or 5 dogs a year.
     
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  6. .308 Norma

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    It's mostly cats that get dropped off out here where we live. We almost always do keep them fed and watered, but they usually only last a week or two before we find them dead out on the county road that runs by our place. Occasionally though, no matter how much I hate doing it, I have to grab my old .22 out of the cupboard and put an animal out of its misery because getting ran over didn't kill it.
    I detest people that drop off animals they no longer want. Don't people realize that even if a cat survives the county roads and the 20 or 30 below nights in the winter time, it's still going to be coyote food before long?
     
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  7. Jammersix

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    I detest people who drop pets off, but for an entirely different reason.

    I detest them because they're filthy pond scum who have no redeeming features that would make up for such an appalling lack of humanity, emotion and common sense. And being pond scum, they stink up any room they're in, and I have a sensitive nose.
     
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  8. P5 Guy

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    Rancho Apocalipto the place a friend has in Dixie County pretty much takes all found dogs in. Some get rehomed, some get returned to the original owners.
     
  9. Charlie Martinez

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    Few things are as rewarding as giving a homeless dog a loving family and a decent place to live. For 30 years all our dogs has been strays or given to us by people who found them & couldn't (or didn't want to) keep it. They have been of all sizes & shapes and each has had its own unique "personality" but every one of them was the best friend anyone can hope for. On the other hand we have helped a few needy people who have not responded anywhere near as well as these wonderful animals.
    When we find a person trespassing on our property chances are pretty darn good they know they shouldn't be there & most of us would not just shoot them on sight. On the other hand a trespassing dog is unaware of his "crime". Why wouldn't we offer a strange dog the same consideration we would to a human trespasser?
     
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  10. Balrog

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    Who in the thread is saying shoot them on sight?
     
  11. Kleanbore

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    The OP.
     
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  12. 40-82

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    For most of my life as a farmer, I've had to deal with feral dogs, unleashed pets, and simply released animals the owners no longer wanted. The choice was clear: which is preferable, dog packs or a wild game population? Virginia law is clear. You can protect stock or your person. You can't shoot uninvited animals on sight. Your legal options were, wait until you catch them in the act, or call the animal control officers, who will only arrive after the offending animals are long gone.

    Some farmers talked long and hard about shooting strays on sight. I suspect, but can't prove, that the ones who did the most talking did the least shooting.

    In recent years, the situation has entirely changed. I rarely see an unwanted dog. If I do, it's once or twice. It could be because people have learned to respect leash laws, and they've developed the improved social conscience to abhor the old practice of releasing unwanted pets on someone else's property. It could be that, improvements in humanity.

    Or it could be that the coyote has come East.
     
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  13. .308 Norma

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    I'm a cynic. I'm betting on the coyotes.;)
     
  14. Balrog

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    Not as far as I can tell. He said there were dogs on property that were putting his children at risk. That's a lot different than just shooting on sight. Plus, he was asking for other alternatives to deal with them.
     
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  16. Balrog

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    You kind of didn't include the statements about children at risk. Stray pit bulls on the loose and canvassing your property where children play is a huge risk. He's asking for other alternatives to deal with them.
     
  17. Kleanbore

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    That "huge risk" is most likely not sufficient to mount a legal defense against charges of destroying the property of others or injuring dogs, which is what said he would have done had he been at home.

    That was for his wife.
     
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  18. Balrog

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    Well, OK, I guess we just disagree. Stray pit bulls around children is a very bad idea. I guess he needs to hope I am on his jury.
     
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  19. Kleanbore

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    The law is what it is, not what we think it should be.

    Considering something to be "a very bad idea" will not qualify as a defense against charges for any kind of crime.

    He would need a majority...a much higher bar than in a case involving the use of force against a human.[/QUOTE]
     
  20. Citadel99
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    I can chime in on the OP's original question since that guy is me. Sometimes these threads get a life of their own...

    It wasn't a question about shooting dogs. It was a question as to the alternatives of shooting dogs to protect your family and not be confined to your house until said dogs decide to leave.

    That said, I've learned some about Texas law in regards to shooting stray dogs which is good. It still floors me that if I were to buy a single chicken, I could shoot the dog legally but if my toddler or 4 year old was out there, I can't. Doesn't make a bit of sense to me but the law is the law. You don't get to pick which ones apply.

    Mark
     
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  21. Trunk Monkey

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    Buy a chicken?
     
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  22. Meeks36

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    A big can of bear spray works wonders. On all sorts of animals. 2 and 4 legged. But with 2 legged. You could run into trouble as the can is intended for bear not humans. I keep one on top of my fridge. You know in case a bear attacks.
     
  23. Jammersix

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    Pepper spray doesn't work on all humans.
     
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  24. Balrog

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    Yep that is what I tried to tell them, but they determined you were a bona fide dog murderer.
     
  25. Meeks36

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    Jump on over to non firearm weapons and read up on pepper spray. Everyone I've had to use it on worked. 5 years as a skip tracer ( bounty Hunter). And I carried bear spray. More effective range.
     
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