"double-action" striker-fired - other than the SIG 320?

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With all the publicity about the FBI adopting the the SIG 320, it caused me to ponder the concept of the striker-fired "double-action" pistol.

According to the SIG website, the 320 is striker-fired, and it also has SECOND STRIKE CAPABILITY. This intrigues me.

I'm not at all keen on the 320 though, for two reasons:
Very high price (compared to other striker-fired, polymer-frame handguns)
High axis of bore over grip - which is why I've not liked SIG handguns generally

Other than the SIG 320, are there other double-action, striker-fired handguns to be had?

I'm well aware that there are plenty of DAO hammer-fired pistols.
I don't need a lesson on those.
But, this SIG 320 thing is the first I've encountered a double-action, striker-fired gun.

Are there others?
 
The Walther P99 "AS" is technically a DA/SA striker fired pistol. In the case of DA, the striker acts as the hammer and can be seen moving rearward as the trigger is pulled.

I hadn't heard that the FBI actually selected the P320, only that they are opting for 9mm.
 
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But, this SIG 320 thing is the first I've encountered a double-action, striker-fired gun.
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I suspect you know precisely what a can of worms you're opening up with this "innocent" comment. Most striker-fired guns are commonly referred to as being double-action even when they don't have second-strike capability.

Ok, so all that aside, I'm going to respond based on my assumption that your personal definition of "double-action, striker-fired gun" means a striker-fired gun with second-strike capability.

Walther P99
Canik TP9
Magnum Research MR9
Taurus makes several models with this capability.
S&W 990
CZ100

H&K P7 might fall into this category given that releasing the grip and squeezing again would allow a second strike without operating the slide.
 
I always thought the 320 was priced pretty good, and have you shot the high boreaxis sig or just read complaints about them from glockers?

either way...


My cheap little Taurus G2 has double strike ability...but most people won't stoop low enough to buy a Taurus.
 
have you shot the high boreaxis sig or just read complaints about them from glockers?
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Yes. The 226.

I could probably overlook the high bore axis (which I concede is more of a conceptual objection, than a practical objection), if it were not for the higher price. I don't mind paying for quality, except when equal quality can be had for considerably less money.
 
But, this SIG 320 thing is the first I've encountered a double-action, striker-fired gun.

Are there others?
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Technically they are all DAO guns. (Glock/M&P/XD etc)
 
Glocks do not have a 2nd strike capability without racking the slide
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It doesnt matter its still a double action. As the trigger is still cocking the firing pin completely, then releasing it.
 
Colt Pocket Nine. Colt Pony .380.

Old, hard to get, expensive, but for the way they are used. Worth it.
 
Where did you get the info that the P320 has second strike capability?? I don't own a P320 but have handled one and tried one and no one mention second strike capability, never read about it, and I never saw any indication that it was possible when trying it.

Can any P320 owners chime in??

BTW bore axis is the least of concern on any SIG or other pistol. How it shoots in my hand is my only concern and several factors come into play.

The Walther P99 AS is IMO an outstanding striker fired pistol that has second strike capability and decocker so that first trigger pull will be longer and heavier but smooth about 9 Lbs.
 
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I didn't mean to start a disagreement about the literal meaning of "double-action."

I'm really trying to focus on the second-strike feature.
I probably should have just said that, rather than casually using lingo which I was not aware was a hot-button issue.

As to the question of where I got the notion that the 320 has second-strike capability, I think I read it at http://www.personaldefenseworld.com...0-carry-video/#sig-sauer-p320-carry-_-video-1 where the author says: "As a DAO design, the P320 has second-strike capability"

Reading other sources, I'm beginning to doubt that the assertion in that link is accurate.
 
Yeah I am pretty sure that is wrong. You initially said it was a SIG website but obviously that is not a SIG website. It would be easy for you to verify by checking a P320 out at a gun store, even dry firing.
 
Oh, the lovely P99 AS (anti-stress) does indeed have second strike capability. :)
 
ritepath said:
I always thought the 320 was priced pretty good, and have you shot the high boreaxis sig or just read complaints about them from glockers?

either way...


My cheap little Taurus G2 has double strike ability...but most people won't stoop low enough to buy a Taurus.
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A friend of mine has had a Taurus 709 for a backup gun for a few years and the second strike feature was a big reason he chose it. It has always served him well, and I enjoy shooting it. I believe they have a good reputation.
 
I own a SIG 320 and can tell you it does not have second strike capability, it's just like a Glock, M&P, Walther PPX, H&K VP9 etc..

When I purchased mine it was less expensive than Glocks, Walthers and H&Ks.

IMHO it's right up there with all the other striker fired pistols quality wise and shootability wise, plus its unique modular construction.
 
I also own a P320 and second it that it does not have second strike capability.Which I think is worthless.Lets say you do have a round that fails to go off tap rack and bang you are back in the fight.Now the same happens with a pistol with second strike capability you pull the trigger a second time no bang now you do the tap rack and bang the time you wasted although little could mean the difference between life and death.In a perfect world the second strike would fire the round everytime but this is not a perfect world.
 
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It doesnt matter its still a double action. As the trigger is still cocking the firing pin completely, then releasing it.
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That's the "can of worms" mentioned earlier. You're using the term "double-action" differently than many people do. I added the underlining and bolding in the following definition from Wikipedia:

A double-action, also known as double-action only (DAO) to prevent confusion with DA/SA designs, is a design which either has no internal sear mechanism capable of holding the hammer or striker in the cocked position (semi-automatics), or has the entire hammer shrouded and/or has the thumb spur machined off, preventing the user from cocking it (revolvers). This requires a trigger pull to both cock and trip the hammer/striker for every single shot, unlike a DA/SA, which only requires a double-action trigger pull for the first shot (or a typical DA/SA revolver, which can fire single action any time the user wishes, but uses double-action as a default). This means that there is no single-action function for any shot, and the hammer or striker always rests in the down position until the trigger pull begins. With automatics, this means that unlike DA/SA weapons, the hammer does not remain cocked after the first round is fired, and every shot is in double-action mode. With revolvers, this means that one does not have the option of cocking the gun before shooting, and must always shoot it in double action mode.​

When S&W introduced their 3rd generation semi-auto models, some models partially-tensioned the hammer spring; then Glock came out with a striker-action that worked in a similar manner and it became obvious that a new definition was needed. Some have suggested "modified double-action."

The SIG 320, as I understand it -- I haven't seen or handled one yet -- pretensions the striker spring; the link above supports that understanding. If so, the P-320 trigger alone doesn't make things happen -- it functions like a Glock and many other striker-fired guns. If you use the long-standing definition cited above, that's not a true DA gun. Neither are most of the new striker-fired guns.

Most gun makers call all of their newer versions -- which are arguably a hybrid of SA and DA -- "double action". It seems to be more of a "marketing" move than a technical definition -- intended to keep folks from being concerned about an action design that is arguably closer to a SA design than a pure DA design. True DA guns generally don't have a sear (or the striker functional equivalent, which might be the partially= or full-pretensioned striker spring.)
 
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To answer your question, the Taurus PT111 Millenium G2 has second-strike capability.
 
2nd strike capability?

Who teaches anyone to pull the trigger again if the round doesn't go off the first time? Who even does that? Sounds great on paper, but if it's a technique no ones going to use, why bother spec'ing it?
 
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