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There are some disagreements I have with what she has written. Mostly is her list of "what ifs"

Every one of those "what if" statements were biased towards the forgetfulness or carelessness or neglect of the gun carrier. What I feel she failed to note are the "what ifs" from outside sources.

What if it is late and a female student is going to her car and is assaulted and/or raped in a dark parking lot?

What if there was a school shooter such as at Virginia Tech?

etc.

My problem with "banning" guns is that the only guns you will confiscate are from the people who own and use a gun to protect themselves. This leaves us much more vulnerable to those that would potentially use their guns, until taken from them, to do us harm.
 
I'm certain I missed all the interaction . . .

I have no "weapons" designated as "self-defense" types. I have firearms for sporting use only. I'm a target-shooter, and primarily at long-range. I'm not so naive as to think my target-shooters cannot kill if aimed incorrectly. I also like bow-and-arrow traditional shooting. I work at the local Compton's Traditional Archery shoot every year. Nothing dies during Compton Shoots. I currently became a NRA certified Range Safety Officer, again where nothing dies. If you have the time to drive to Berrien County Sportsman's Club in Berrien Springs, Michigan, you'll find no stuffed animal heads on our walls. We raise and release 100,000 plus Steelhead Trout into the St. Joseph River every year. I catch-and-release all fish. Cliffy
 
About the "gay" issue: what if she opposes that? As detached from reality as that college (and this article) is, it's probably not a concern. Just be careful when writing other people letters.
 
Ms. Harris,

You said, “While I would prefer the U.S. completely ban personal gun ownership”.

So, you agree with this guy…

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" - Adolph Hitler, 15 April 1935 (In an address to the Reichstag)

I tend to agree with these.

Followed by a massive list of quotes from the Fathers...
 
neverjeg, sorry man. See my sig.
So, you agree with this guy…

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" - Adolph Hitler, 15 April 1935 (In an address to the Reichstag)
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From http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcbogus.html

Along with an enormous amount of good, well-researched evidence on the pro-RKBA side, there exist several items, mostly "quotations," which are popular, but in fact are "pious frauds." Whoever first put these items into circulation must have known that they were false, but figured it would "help the cause". It doesn't. Neither does spreading them around today.

JR spicer:

2 of those C's stand for community college. Consider the source, and enough said..

Dude, we really need community college goers more than anything. They sit on the fence and/or tend to be conservative more than 4-year schoolers. Plus many of them are doing the 2yr CC + 2yr university plan, meaning that if they are pro-gun they will voice a pro-gun opinion in the largely anti-gun 4-year systems.
 
Ouch. :banghead: I've seen that quote everywhere and this is the first time it has every come up (that I've seen) as bogus. Thanks for the correction.
 
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Ms. Harris,

I would like to respectfully address the your recent writings in the campus newsletter, "Hide and Seek Heat". While I appreciate the research done on conceal carry laws, and am relieved that you acknowledge the screenings and training required to obtain a license, there are a few points that might give you a different perspective on the topic.

As you know, our constitution is one of positive rights, rights to DO as opposed to negative protections that are common in other countries. Of course, each positive is somewhat balanced by a negative. The right to freedom of speech is balanced by the peoples' right to safety when it comes to shouting "Fire" in a crowded movie theater. Likewise, as an editor, you could not ethically allow a newspaper containing results of HIV tests, voyeuristic pictures of students changing in their rooms taken without their permission, or the answers to the upcoming final exams. Your freedom of press and speech is limited by others' rights to privacy.

Following the same logic, the right to bear arms is also limited in a number of ways. The states have the right to dictate many aspects of firearm ownership, usage, and possession. Likewise, there are numerous federal controls on the same. However, the right to live in a gun-free society is not only ascent in the constitution, but the founding fathers explicitly, on numerous occasions, felt that to be worst possible situation. They trusted the citizens of our great country to elect their own officials, and to possess firearms for their own protection. It is very unfortunate that in some cases, the citizens have used the rights endowed to them for evil instead of good.

Your article brings up quite a few examples of "What Ifs" that could lead to issues with carrying on campus. How many times in campus history has a lover's quarrel resulted in a fatal stabbing with a kitchen knife, or one of the involved throwing the other off a balcony, or choking, or beating with a hammer or bat? How many have been killed in any of those ways over a sports rivalry? How many deadly explosions or murders have been committed to "get out of finals week?"

Have you ever had a substantially large amount of money on you? Or a prized family heirloom? If so, you certainly paid more attention to your surroundings, avoided trouble, and made sure you didn't leave it in the bathroom or allow your bag to get stolen. I once had $4000 on me for a vehicle purchase, and I can assure you, I knew right where it was at all times. This responsibility is multiplied when the object is a firearm. Beyond the legal penalties, the ethical responsibility of knowing for the rest of your life that your negligence led to another's injury or death is very evident within the gun community, and it is almost palpable among most gun owners.

I am licensed as a motor vehicle driver, aircraft pilot, Emergency Medical Technician, and concealed carry permit holder. Each of these comes with specific responsibilities with very real penalties for ignoring those responsibilities. As a motor vehicle driver, my car has never plowed through a kindergarten classroom. As an aircraft pilot, I perform a preflight inspection and keep up to date on all the information and education, and my aircraft had never crashed into an office building or burst into flames. As an EMT, I stay proficient in skills and treat each patient as I would want my loved ones to be treated, and by doing so I know that I've done all I could for each patient I've been called upon to help. None have gotten HIV or cancer as a result of calling me for another problem.

Similarly, as a concealled carry permit holder and gun owner, I follow the same basic rules as any other gun owner that 100% guarantees that there will be no "accidental" or negligent firings. Treat all guns as loaded. Don't point the gun at anything you don't wish to destroy. Keep your finger off the trigger until you want to fire. In order for anyone to get shot, there must be someone standing on the other side of the gun who wishes to murder them, or at minimum doesn't care if they die.


Most importantly, however, is the practical aspect of the situation. For better or worse, we live in a country with guns. We can write a thousand laws to ban them, but why would that succeed when the bans on alcohol during the Prohibition Era, and present day bans on drugs, are unsuccessful. Unfortunately, there is very little that an individual can do to protect himselves from the repercussions of illegal drug use. Thankfully, while criminals can gain access to illegal (banned for them) firearms, we, as law abiding citizens, have the right to protect ourselves against them. Think of the tragedies that could have been averted in Virginia Tech, Columbine, and countless others if there was a single person who was carrying while an individual with no concern for laws or human life murdered many.

If you would like to discuss this further, please do not hesitate to contact me, or at least research both sides of the contraversial topic. As an editor-in-chief, I'm sure you understand the importance of reading both sides of the issue, and there is overwhelming evidence in support of gun rights based on statistical evidence from the FBI, as opposed to "feelings" and "What Ifs."

Thank you for your time.
 
I think that in the context of his letter writing just "carrying" is good enough. On the other hand she does go to a CC....:D Just kidding, I went to a CC before I got to CSU

Great letter syh, perhaps my favorite so far.
 
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I would like to say that I read it and had some opinions for you. The first would be that, because of our Bill of Rights, you get to write that article without the government coming after you. The second is, that because of people who are personally armed, crime rates do in fact drop. I do not understand how you can think that "bad" things can happen and too many things can go wrong, when you clearly know the history of the world. The fact of the matter is, that no matter what "gun" laws you have, or rules against carrying them, people will still get them illegally. I am talking about criminals here. Do you know what happens when criminals know they have guns and they know you don't? They know that they have an easy time.
Have you seen the shootings that go on in the countries of the world? You should take a vacation in Israel. They have kids with fully automatic weapons in schools. This is because the kids know when to use them, only to defend themselves against crazy people who want to hurt others. God forbid this to ever happen, but I feel that if you ever experienced someone saving your life, or someone you love because they had their carry weapon on them, you would totally change your mind. Think about it. If a bad guy decided to hold up your campus, and started spraying at the kids there, don't you think you would wish that someone would stop him? What if a classmate could? Would you be mad at him for carrying? Or would you be grateful? I already know the answer to that.
To answer your question in your article, if you want to live in a society free of guns, I suggest you try Africa, or Washington D.C, where killing is rampant and crime is everywhere because the bad guys know you can't protect yourself.
I hope you are not offended by this email, I just think that from one college student to another, you should try to hold a new perception to the whole issue.
Thank you for reading- my name here
To the trustees.
Hello, my name is ___. I have recently read the article created by Jen Harris. I am writing to you to complain about the one sided slant of this article. I am asking you to hold responsible the unethical actions of your Editor-in-Chief. I understand that the rights of the citizens of the United States are free to write what they want, but that title should have responsibilities. It is in my opinion that a writer should explain both sides of the story, even IF they believe in the issue one way or the other. If you would like I invite you to respond and have a dialogue with me about ethics of writers. Thanks for reading!-___
 
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LOL. That was the funniest thing ive read in a minute.

"please, leave the shooting to the professionals" (who typically have less range time than many conceal carry persons)
 
Mine was quite short.

In your article: HIDE AND SEEK HEAT (Opinion) you stated: While the appropriate precautions are in place to keep concealed carry permits out of the hands of the irresponsible and incapable, what are the rights of the citizens, such as myself, who want to live in a society free of guns?

You have the right to move to a different country where they don't care about the saftey of their citizens.
 
neverjeg, no prob! I realized so many were false when I was looking for sig lines myself once.

No shame in falling for a false gun quote, but I'd certainly like to give whoever originated them to "help the cause" a piece of my mind.

As for the pic, I just thought it was funny :neener:
 
I'm going to have a little fun by writing a super anti-gun letter:

Dear Ms. Harris,
Your pro gun position is misguided and will do more harm to the college community than good. Arming the campus police endangers the students and faculty while not providing a proportional benefit.
Unless your campus has been supplied with cops from the municipal police or sheriff department, I would not be confident that they are sufficiently trained in the proper use of deadly force. Without that training, they present a similar danger to that created by any student carrying a gun.
Arming campus safety officers also presents similar dangers to student ownership. The statistics of police shot with their own guns suggests that the gun of a campus officer could become the gun of a murderer. The theft of firearms from police might go for some time without being noticed. In that time, the madman would have ample opportunity to prey upon the community.
The numbers of school shootings don't justify the proliferation of arms within campuses. Those events are sufficiently rare that students shouldn't worry about them. I was in high school when Columbine transpired, and in college during the Virginia Tech massacre. I made more efficient use of my time by focusing on studying and partying than worrying about being shot. But by placing guns in the hands of campus officers, I would be afraid any time that they were called over.
Sincerely,
 
Thanks Tyler, let us know if you hear anything. Even grumblings around campus. We'd love to know if our efforts had an impact (or not).
Thanks,
Marty
 
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