EUGunBan: Push for 2A in the Czech Republic

Between Czech and Swiss model, which one do you consider better?

  • Switzerland: generally easier access to firearms, but forget concealed carry

  • Czech Republic: higher innitial hurdle - must gain license first, but shall issue concealed carry


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Interesting - if that passes, than it will work for CZ as well. The chances are increased by the fact, that it will be a relatively "quiet" process and the commission won't have to act against it just to avoid looking like fools (more than they already do)in the public eye, simply beacause no one but the affected will take notice
 
Interesting - if that passes, than it will work for CZ as well.

Not really.

Fins are a little weird, but still noble Northermen.

Czechs are just subhuman backwards Slavic nation that doesn't know better and thus needs to have their way shown by those more enlightened.

I studied law in Austria (1 semester) and in Germany (2 semesters). Austrians were absolutely great, even when speaking Steyrisch dialect that made no sense. Germany afterwards was like a slap in the face. Even though nobody will acknowledge it on the face value their, Übermensch mentality is so deeply rooted that one can't escape it. It is similar with French and Belgians (although I have only anecdotal evidence in this regard). Unfortunately this is what underlines Brussels politics:

Surely Finns must have a good reason for that. Surely Finns have had militia based army for decades. Surely Finns need it when they share border with Russia. And anyways, look how far away they are, all is OK.

Oh the Czechs lost their mind again. They face no danger to justify it. Oh and look, it takes two hours car ride to reach major German cities, surely that can't be right for them to have these dangerous looking guns.

And that is how we get sued for failing to fill the immigrant quotas in situation when some 12K migrants from 160K planned were accepted by the EU 27.
 
Even most Austrians don't understand Steirisch ;)

I was talking about the principle of "individual, exceptional" in that case, for which there seems to be movement outside of CZ to interpret it very widely (contrary to what I expected). However, if the comission wants, they can come up with any BS argument for sueing CZ but not FIN, no doubt.
 
UPDATE:

Third reading (final vote) on the Constitutional Amendment Proposal in the Chamber of Deputies of the Czech Parliament is scheduled on 28 July 2017.

3/5 of all Deputies needed in order for the proposal to be adopted and moved for the vote in the Senate.

I remain optimistic about the Chamber of Deputies, however Senate remains unpredictable.
 
139 out of needed 120 deputies just voted for pro-gun amendment

It should be noted that this is 139 out of 168 present supporting the proposal (200 total number, but at this time of the year many are on official trips abroad), which is immense.

Senate is on one side worse because the support there will be probably lower in general, on the other side better because there 3/5 of those present need to vote for it to pass (unlike in the chamber of deputies were the quorum was 3/5 of all). This will allow Senators who do not agree with the proposal but not to the point to vote against it to simply leave the Senate floor and keep their conscience clear while the bill passes.

Please hold your fingers crossed for us, Senate will be tougher nut to crack on this (do not pray for this country of 90% non-believers, that would probably have just the opposite effect ;) ).
 
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Snejdarek

Here's hoping everything goes well for you (collectively, that is), and it all works out the way you want it to. Best of luck with the vote!
 
Moreover, the only party whose majority voted against was the Christian party...Praying is futile :-D
On the other hand, you can pray so that Czech christians start to follow their American conservative comrades and return to reason so we dont have to rely on commies.

Interestingly enough, LEX hq sees our senat as the easier part. Who knows..
 
Interestingly enough, LEX hq sees our senat as the easier part. Who knows..

Well...

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Could you provide me with a link to Lex thinking Senate will be easier (apart from the fact that we need 3/5 of present, instead of all).
 
Nothing to update on, apart from the fact that the Senate is becoming a bit of an issue with some influential Senators starting Jihad against the proposed Amendment, one of them being a former constitutional court justice (ours get the post for 10 years, unlike your lifetime appointments).

Meanwhile, a part of 2016 Firearms Act Amendment entered in force today - meaning that use lasers are not verboten any more.

Looking forward to buy a subcompact with laser for my GF given that we have recently returned her extremely faulty SW Bodyguard to the seller.
 
Looking forward to buy a subcompact with laser for my GF given that we have recently returned her extremely faulty SW Bodyguard to the seller.
Hope it's not getting too off track from the thread topic (feel free to PM me, if so), but what subcompact(s) are you and your GF considering? It's a darn shame CZ doesn't make a single-stack 9mm...
 
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Lawsuit got into motion:

Here's a link in English: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-guncontrol-czech-idUSKBN1AP1SA

Note that Ministry did not refer to hunters, yet the reporter could not resist it.

While the Czechs are waiting for the outcome of constitutional proposal in Senate as well as outcome of the autumn elections to the Chamber of Deputies, Slovakia already started work on new national legislation that will accommodate the EU Gun Ban. They will probably bend backwards to do everything "right".
 
UPDATE

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The opposition to the proposal is mounting, as you can see on this Amnesty International poster "Appeal to Senators: Stop the controversial amendment to the Czech Constitution!" More here: https://www.amnesty.cz/news/3979/am...zikovou-novelu-ustavniho-zakona-o-bezpecnosti

As regards senators, it seems that only those that are vehemently opposed are vocal on the issue. Deliberation on the amendment in the Senate has been postponed, IMHO presumably in order not to make it a major election issue in case the amendment failed.

Bestpatron does import Kahrs..
OK, so I contacted Bestpatron to get me CW 380 Carbon Fibre with laser and they told me they are unable to, since ZeGermans import them also for the territory of the Czech Republic. I suppose that Bestpatron only gets leftovers that ZeGermans don't want. Given that A) ZeGermans don't get CC licenses and B) for sport purposes they have to prove they need the gun for a sport discipline when they want to buy semi-auto, I don't think many sub-compacts can get to Europe via Germany.
 
As regards senators, it seems that only those that are vehemently opposed are vocal on the issue. Deliberation on the amendment in the Senate has been postponed, IMHO presumably in order not to make it a major election issue in case the amendment failed.
Sounds like Republicans in the US... promising to protect gun rights in elections, then radio silence during their terms. It's quite frustrating/disappointing.
I suppose that Bestpatron only gets leftovers that ZeGermans don't want... I don't think many sub-compacts can get to Europe via Germany.
That sucks.
 
Sounds like Republicans in the US... promising to protect gun rights in elections, then radio silence during their terms. It's quite frustrating/disappointing.

Our current composition of the Senate is different from the Chamber of Deputies. The parties that steamrolled the amendment in the Chamber of Deputies has less of a voice there.

It really seems as effort of those opposing it (rather than the parties that earnestly stand by it) to slow it down so that it doesn't weigh on the election to the point that it it gets back on the table post-election, should it not pass in the Senate.
 
No new development on the Constitutional Amendment - still in the Senate, still not moving forward.

Given that citizens of US Virgin Islands are having their firearms confiscated by the government nowadays, http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...-seizing-residents-guns-ammo-ahead-hurricane/ I would only like to point out that as a delayed part of 2016 Firearms Act amendment, the Czech Government lost the power to order gun surrender during state of emergency as of 1 August 2017. Looking at Luisiana post-Catrina and Virgin Islands today, it almost seems as if the Czechs were better of even without amendment than Americans with 2A...
 
UPDATE

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Today, the Petition Committee of the Senate had a session that also heard arguments of authors of "Petition against regulation of self-defense tools by the EU". This petition was started several years ago before the European Commission Gun Ban plan was put into motion. As you can imagine, it gained quite some pace in past year.

Today, the petition has some 100.000 signatories, which compared to population would be akin to 3 million in US. Please note that this is a physical petition where every single person is identifiable, not an online petition nor anonymous one.

During the hearing it was revealed that the deliberation on the Constitutional Amendment is planned on 11 October, i.e. 9 days before the Chamber of Deputies elections. Hence the Committee also decided to have plenary Senate hearing on the petition before the deliberation. It was scheduled on 5 October (instead of original November date).

So, guys, fingers crossed.
 
Hopefully the elections closely following the petition hearing and amendment deliberation will put pressure on them to vote pro-gun to show their constituents they are doing their job and should be re-elected.
 
Trivia: I was at popo today, dealing with my European Firearms Pass
to show their constituents they are doing their job and should be re-elected.

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Unfortunately, these will be elections to Chamber of Deputies, not Senate. So Senators may feel pretty distant from their electorate on the issue. Hopefully electorate will remind them importance of it through email campaign.
 
Just in case anyone was interested in this level of detail of something that happened in Senate two months ago but what may be quite indicative.

24 July 2017: The proposal was officially handed over from the Chamber of Deputies to the Senate. Before this happened, the Permanent Senate Committee for Constitution and Parliamentary Procedures adopted on 11 July 2017 Resolution No. 5 which labels the proposal as "useless and potentially harmful". Out of 8 Senators present, 6 supported the Resolution proposed by Committee's chair and former Constitutional Court Justice Eliška Wagnerová. Two senators abstained.

The full text of the Resolution is here and I must admit that the recent update of Google Translate was quite something, so here is automated translation.
 
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