Ever get ask if packing because of wearing Royal Robbins

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Ever get ask if packing because of wearing Royal Robbins?

Was in the quick shop loading up on coffee for another night of work and an off duty cop (didn't know it at the time) asks me if I'm packing. My first reaction because I don't know this guy is to ask to see some sort of ID. Not being comfortable with anyone knowing that I might have the drop on them, I say yes (it's the law here) after seeing that this guy is really a LEO. After a bit of BS I asked how did he know that I was carrying. He replies those are Royal Robbins tactical 5.11 pants right, I got a few pairs at home. Doh!!!! Now these were a present from my wife and I don't ware them all that often because really are not my style but that night they were the left in the clean pants drawer.

Ever happen to you?
 
I am curious just how many people outside of RR owners would even recognize them for what they are. Also, did he come across as friendly? I can't really tell from your post. Kinda sounds like he saw a vaguely kindred spirit and tried to start up a conversation. Although asking a complete stranger if they are packing is a bit....different. (Note: this last comment would be different if he had been on-duty)
 
Just a couple of observations building on what FPrice queried. Outside of the gun culture, few people probably have any idea who Royal Robbins is and what is part of their tactical line of clothing, such as 511 vests, shorts, shirts, pants, etc. The pants are actually a variant or repackaged product from the climbing/outdoor line of clothing.

Where there is often the claim that a cargo vest, or in this case, a 511 vest, screams GUN to those in the know (other gun folks), people outside the gun culture are clueless to the use of such products for concealed carry. Even many of the folks in the gun culture who are not apart of things like IDPA, law enforcement, etc. have no idea about the vests screaming gun.

Keep in mind that part of the reason that vests are thought to scream gun is because the wearer usually isn't using the vest as anything other than accessory clothing. Cargo and Royal Robbins vests work great for carrying a bunch of stuff, only most folks carry nothing but their keys and maybe a cell phone in their vests. So, they show no functional reason for wearing the gear and that gets noticed. On family outtings, mine gets loaded down with accessories for the kids. My "tactical" vest gets further camoflaged by being the snack, toy, juice, diaper, wet wipes, etc. mobile platform.

Similarly, gun culture folks often think a fanny pack screams gun. As with the vests, it only screams gun to those in the gun culture. Regular people are clueless and don't even recognize the presence of the additional zippers or openings as being associated with opening the pack rapidly to get to the gun. They just figure those things are like other pack gear and loaded with pockets.

I used to claim that within the fanny pack lines, the packs that mostly screamed gun were those that were overly large, leather, butt ugly boxy, and usually black or brown. These screamed gun, I claimed, because none of the regular, non-gun carrying tourist/hiker types carried fanny packs like that. They gravitate to the nylon versions in various configurations. After going to the Texas State Fair earlier this month, I am now sorry to make the correction that butt ugly boxy fanny packs are now in regular circulation with non-gun carrying normal people. No guns are allowed at the Fair and everyone gets gone over with a metal detector. I saw lots of people with fanny packs and a lot of them were the leather versions, only I never saw any with the telltale extra zippers or rip cords. So the ugly leather fannypacks are no longer just a gun thing.

Keep in mind that fanny packs, like vests, tend to look out of place as people carrying guns often do not use them for any other reason. I like to play "Spot the Gun Carrier" at the mall. The easiest to spot are the fanny pack carriers who have a wallet in their back pocket, phone and keys hanging off their belt, sun glasses on top of their head, and check book in a shirt pocket. If they have all that stuff everywhere but inside the fanny pack, then what is the fanny pack being used for? The don't use it to pack normal gear they carry, just their gun. As such, it looks out of place.
 
On family outtings, mine gets loaded down with accessories for the kids. My "tactical" vest gets further camoflaged by being the snack, toy, juice, diaper, wet wipes, etc. mobile platform.

ROFL! As a new dad, that hit me squarely in the funny bone.

My tactical camoflage (SmartCarry) only gets me pegged as well-endowed. :)
 
Ya know, I've had cops stare right at me when I'm packing a gun and have never said boo.

Of course, I don't wear craptical gear, jump boots, mirrored sunglasses, etc...

Just jeans, a T- or polo shirt, and an S&W Model 19 in a shoulder holster under a Cherskin leather jacket...
 
Never been asked if I was packing, but an off-duty cop asked me what department I worked for.

I wear black BDU pants every day.
 
I had to go into the courthouse today and a rather cute young female sheriff was working the metal detector at the door. All I had was my wallet and keys and I placed my keys in the basket and walked through the metal detector. The sheriff started to hand me my keys and said "You're not packing today, are you?" I was already through the metal detector so she must have known I wasn't and I was wearing jeans and a golf shirt so nothing was shouting concealed carry. I said "No, not today". I finished my business and on my way out I thought of asking her how she knew I had a permit to carry but she wasn't there.

When I got home I looked in the mirror and there it was - my ball cap had Beretta on it (and I don't even own a Beretta). :D
 
jacketch...

"The (rather cute young female) sheriff started to hand me my keys and said "You're not packing today, are you?" "

If EVER a question begged for the response, "No, I'm just glad to see you.", this was IT!!!

:banghead:
 
Double Naught Spy...

"Keep in mind that part of the reason that vests are thought to scream gun is because the wearer usually isn't using the vest as anything other than accessory clothing."

I have thought the same thing so I have started to stuff other items for permanent carry in my vest. SureFire G2 flashlight, knife, spray, first aid kit, snacks, and I carry my checkbook, keys, cell phone, and other items in vest pockets when I go out. I can grab my vest and go and have some basic items with me at all times.
 
Yeah, the LEO (former Marine) was cool and was just curious if had a judgment call right. Told him that him asking me out of the blue like that if I was carrying kinda caught me off guard and put me on the defensive till he showed me his ID. He did apologied for that, and we BS'ed for a while about race guns, BUGs, reloads, and carry style. He also invited me to the county LEO range for some good natured gun fun (former jarheads like doing stuff like that). All and all I came out the better for the experience, I just got some unlucky pants now!!
 
I had a table at a Gun Show last weekend and watched an endless parade of completely innocuous show patrons wearing various safari, tactical and photographer vests or weighted down fanny packs.

I decided early in the first day to poll the various carriers about their choice of weapon. Each shopper stopping at my table was engaged in pleasant conversation and asked "what sort of gun are you carrying"? This was punctuated with a vague point at the concealed weapon.

Most just stood steady and tried to adjust to the fact that someone had penetrated their wall of secrecy but usually accomodated my curiousity and described their carry piece.

I was wrong only twice. One safari vested young man, who arrived near the end of the first day, stated that he wasn't carrying but that he often did. The other error was when Rick ________, of Hole In The Wall and Rick _______ Enterprises fame, went by and I asked him what was in his fanny pack. Actually, it was more of a joke as he had a visible Colt on his hip and his fanny pack was for his cash stash.

The moral of the story? I ain't the brightest guy around and plenty of BG's are well educated while encarcerated. If I can deduce that you are carrying, so can they!

They're supposed to be CONCEALED people!
 
Wear a black leather fanny pack turned to your strong-side hip at all times, carrying or not.

F'em if they can't take a joke.

Matt
 
In my line of work, dealing with archaeologists and paleontologists, many of them wear photovests and a couple even like the Royal Robbins 511 pants, but they don't carry guns. They use the gear as gear and not as a clothing accessory.

As much as I would like to disagree with El Tejon's statement that the bad guys know what the vests are for (beyond professionals that use them for other things such as archaeologists and photographers), I have been amazed at folks who can ID off duty cops who were not in uniform. My pop is a retired cop. We ran a pawn business in old East Dallas. We had a lot of cops come by to visit or get a good "police-special" deal. On numerous occasions, I watched as customers spotted a person come in the front door, then did the ducking behind displays and trying to exit the store without ever coming close to the person who just walked in...who happened to be an off duty cop, and sometimes they were cops that didn't even work in the area of town where our shop was. It was eerie. They just seemed to know. Funny thing, such events would often catch the eye of the off duty cop(s) who usually weren't concerned in the least as they were off duty and had no idea who was trying to slip out unnoticed. It usually got a good laugh whenever it happened. One weekend regular cop kept apologizing for running off our business.
 
After going to the Texas State Fair earlier this month, I am now sorry to make the correction that butt ugly boxy fanny packs are now in regular circulation with non-gun carrying normal people. No guns are allowed at the Fair and everyone gets gone over with a metal detector. I saw lots of people with fanny packs and a lot of them were the leather versions, only I never saw any with the telltale extra zippers or rip cords. So the ugly leather fannypacks are no longer just a gun thing.
DoubleNaughtSpy,
I'm not sure about your conclusions, since thanks to SB 501 going into effect in Texas, carry at the TX State Fair was allowed this year. It wasn't easy, but the security droids had to let you in :D
Check out the long thread State Fair CCW on Glocktalk's Carry Issues board.
 
Personally, when i see RR 5.11 pants i think rock climber or paramedic. Thw whole brand was started by a rock climber/mountaineer and the 5.11 is very popular with the climbing community as you can carry lots of extra stuff in the pants, the tend towards the very burly, and are often less expensive then carharts and such. Paramedics like them for the same reason you guys do, lots of pockets. My employer outfits a couple of the mountain rescue programs and the guys like getting someone else to pay for there gear, so we get a lot of invoice requests for the.m.

I actually didnt think about using 5.11's as a carry pant until I started reading this forum. Ironically about two days after i joined THR i got a call from a local sherifs department wanting to know if we could do a discounted special order for a couple dozen pants.

The only thing i dont like about the 5.11 is the sizing. 30X30 is the smallest size they make, and the things fit me like a tent:mad:


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